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DON'T FLY A TENGU.. unless you are .......

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#121 - 2012-10-19 14:13:31 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.



Ohhhh someones getting it


I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol



LOL
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-10-19 14:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It's just like the same old stupid calling for "nurf Tengu" when they're talking about specific setups using billions os isk/implants/combat boosters and OGB.

I never said otherwise.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
A T2 fitted Tengu was never and will never ever be OP or even something you really want to fly.

Ever seen fleets of > 100 T2 fit 10 MN Tengus? I've flown in them, and they're extremely powerful. One might even make a valid claim to them being overpowered.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The fact you can use some more or less chapo ded mods to make it function properly doesn't make it OP neither but a valid option you pay with extra weeks training, a valid option hundreds of stupid are unable to understand the major problem why Drakes and Tengus are that used is their weapon system and so on.

So it's good to talk about how op some ships with billions of fitting are but not others? -then it's called misinformation, not a discussion.

You're correct about the majority of the problem being heavy missiles, but let's not ignore the fact that this is in combination with the enormous tank both the Drake and the Tengu can field. A boosted buffer fit fleet PVP Tengu can get over 180k EHP and even after the HML nerf will be able to deal about 2000 alpha (500 dps, but alpha is more important here) at 90 km range using CN scourge (range with fury will be terrible). Keep in mind this is using T2 mods. Before the HML nerf the numbers are more like 2500 alpha/630 DPS at over 100 km range with scourge fury.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ginger Barbarella
#123 - 2012-10-19 15:41:57 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16


Fail better.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Shokenaw
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-10-19 16:50:56 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


If you want instant gratification then you shouldn't be flying a T3. This is the worst LF Help thread I've seen on any forum for any thing. Listen, you admitted it yourself - your skills are ****. Get over it, buck up and train or sell the ship and move on with your life.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#125 - 2012-10-20 00:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#126 - 2012-10-20 03:17:39 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!

Must be their sekret alt that uses tengus. Cool

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#127 - 2012-10-20 05:10:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!

Must be their sekret alt that uses tengus. Cool


Super duper sekret.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-10-20 06:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
JC Anderson wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!

Must be their sekret alt that uses tengus. Cool


Super duper sekret.


I'm still trying to figure out how did this thread get people keep on replying till page 7+
Maybe because people are too busy dissing each other out lol

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#129 - 2012-10-20 07:03:22 UTC
Ah it was entertaining ^_^

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#130 - 2012-10-20 08:04:39 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!

Must be their sekret alt that uses tengus. Cool


Super duper sekret.


I'm still trying to figure out how did this thread get people keep on replying till page 7+
Maybe because people are too busy dissing each other out lol


LOL your just a talented troll maybe. ;)
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#131 - 2012-10-20 09:21:05 UTC
I don't know if anyone answered this properly, so I'll give you a short list,

Let us just start with saying that Tengu needs the Core Skills. That means all your armor, shield, energy skills, but not including the Armor resist skills, (nice to have; not needed for Tengu). These should be at 5 if possible, but Tactical Shield Manipulation can be IV, as can the resistance skills and you'll still be pretty good.

What you want is excellent capacitor and energy management, max. grid and cpu, and all your related weapon skills. HML/HAM spec, and at least IV in all your missile support skills. Aim for V in those that increase DPS. Reasonable drone skills are nice as optional, but not absolutely required.

Next, you need to learn how to fit the Tengu from Subs on up. The battle clinic fits should have the targeted subs to max DPS and get a good sustainable tank, if they are doing things as usual. You can weigh in on a higher tank too, and drop your DPS to 600 or so and be better suited for Missions, Sleepers, etc..

So the key is Core skills and missiles. The rest is in the fit. Advanced Weapon upgrades V is pretty much a must of course, just in case that wasn't assumed anyway. Good for everything, as it opens up more options, maximizes your weapons fittings on that end, and pretty much is the skill to get to V no matter what you do.

..unless you hapen to be flying a Mackinaw or Feeighter anyway. Blink
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#132 - 2012-10-20 09:23:47 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!

Must be their sekret alt that uses tengus. Cool


Super duper sekret.


I'm still trying to figure out how did this thread get people keep on replying till page 7+
Maybe because people are too busy dissing each other out lol


It vwas a reasonable question, and--like me--they probably didn't read the whole thread, or much more than first few posts on the first page really.Smile
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Luke Visteen
#133 - 2012-10-20 12:44:53 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
the answer is 4


I think it's more about the word, not the number.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-10-21 18:12:48 UTC
well... a horrible turn of event.
Moments after saying
" Well i guess me and Drakey is gonna be stuck together for a while"
I lose a drake to a nado .
Yippyyy

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-10-21 18:32:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
You want each of the 5 susbsytem skills and the main S.Cruiser skill at 4 (5 is better obviously)
You need decent Shield Tanking, Missile, Cap & generic Fitting/Core skills (4+)
Below is a meh fit .. it's not totally awesome, but it should do the job.

If you have a +4% CPU Implant you can swap out the PDSII for a 4th BCSII (You don't even need the implant if you use the TPII over the SBAII)

[Low]
3x Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

[Mid]
Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II or Target Painter II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

[High]
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

[Rigs]
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

[Subsystems]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

ps
The numbers you see mentioned elsewhere will probably factor in
"overheating skill/mechanics", "Slot 6-10 Hardwiring Sets" & "Boosters"
StarReign
#136 - 2013-01-10 05:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: StarReign
can someone tell me which is better?a sig/speed/active tank tengu or a buffer/active tank tengu?

assuming both fits are gimped by a blockade runner setup(cloak and nullifier subsystem).
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#137 - 2013-01-10 06:36:33 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Kobal81 wrote:
Only 300 DPS? Confirming your skills are sh**.


ofc my skills are ****, but I don't want to go around wasting time on useless skills that'll be marginal at helping me becoming an effective tengu pilot.
Thats why I'm here to ask for advice :O



Lesson #1: Do not go to the Midget section to understand the perspective of Tall people...

...likewise, do not come to GD, the insane asylum of MMOs in general, not just EVE, and try to have a rational, constructive conversation about anything.

You...will...lose.
NeoShocker
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#138 - 2013-01-10 06:37:09 UTC
Omg, I did not know this thread exist, let alone someone I know and is NOT trolling. /facepalm

I wish I did not went forum whoring today. I'm sure Ivy is smarter today folks from 3 months ago! Oops
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2013-01-10 06:43:21 UTC
Thread necro's are bad. Troll thread necro's are worse. Thread is now locked, if you have questions regarding specific ships and/or fits, might I suggest looking in the Ships & Modules forum - ISD Type40.

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