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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2012-10-17 18:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Your first mistake was Tengu. Your second mistake was admitting to owning Tengu.


why?
I got it from a bargain in Jita?
The ship was only 30 mil below market price :O
I guess since HML is getting nerfed soon, and I won't be using them on a Tengu, its not gonna affect me as bad.
Perfect time to jump onto the T3 wagon... or so I thought.


Getting a bargain on something is usually the first sign that the product is bad, or being replaced by something better.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-10-17 18:49:40 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
The tengu does NOT have the ability to tank like a drakes does


That's weird. The PvE fit I came up with has a flat 1176 DPS tank against Guristas with 566 DPS on HMs. Guess I'm doing it wrong.


only 566???

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-10-17 18:50:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Your first mistake was Tengu. Your second mistake was admitting to owning Tengu.


why?
I got it from a bargain in Jita?
The ship was only 30 mil below market price :O
I guess since HML is getting nerfed soon, and I won't be using them on a Tengu, its not gonna affect me as bad.
Perfect time to jump onto the T3 wagon... or so I thought.


Getting a bargain on something is usually the first sign that the product is bad.


well, they use to say T3 and caps are the endgame of EVE..... I don't see how is 566 dps gonna end anything :P

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Robert De'Arneth
#24 - 2012-10-17 18:50:35 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


No i am very sorry there really is not, while you can ignore the certs, for the most part they are right. go to lower cheaper hull, and work your way up. There are no shortcuts here that i know of. Sad

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-10-17 18:51:28 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


No i am very sorry there really is not, while you can ignore the certs, for the most part they are right. go to lower cheaper hull, and work your way up. There are no shortcuts here that i know of. Sad


well.. I guess me and Drakey is gonna be stuck together for a while.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2012-10-17 18:51:33 UTC
Yep.

Oh god.
Teibor
Quay Industries
#27 - 2012-10-17 18:51:46 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


2 years to get -

- Core Comp Standard
- Active Shield Tanking standard
- Cruiser Launcher Control Standard

???
Robert De'Arneth
#28 - 2012-10-17 18:54:49 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


No i am very sorry there really is not, while you can ignore the certs, for the most part they are right. go to lower cheaper hull, and work your way up. There are no shortcuts here that i know of. Sad


well.. I guess me and Drakey is gonna be stuck together for a while.



Just make a plan, and stick to it!! Time is on your side, if you have the time you can fly any ship in the game. Good luck and I think you made a good choice.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-10-17 18:55:44 UTC
Teibor wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


2 years to get -

- Core Comp Standard
- Active Shield Tanking standard
- Cruiser Launcher Control Standard

???

lol standard?
I already have most of the stuff to standard, I mean to get to ELITE

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Kobal81
HR..
#30 - 2012-10-17 18:56:28 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Kobal81 wrote:
Only 300 DPS? Confirming your skills are sh**.


ofc my skills are ****, but I don't want to go around wasting time on useless skills that'll be marginal at helping me becoming an effective tengu pilot.
Thats why I'm here to ask for advice :O


Advises max out ur skills or Don't fly a T3 if your too lazy to train the skills needed to be effective.

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit"
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#31 - 2012-10-17 18:57:24 UTC
Teibor wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


2 years to get -

- Core Comp Standard
- Active Shield Tanking standard
- Cruiser Launcher Control Standard

???

This.

Also, it is never a waste of time to train the skills required to fly a ship you already own and want to fly. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-17 18:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Metal Icarus wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Your first mistake was Tengu. Your second mistake was admitting to owning Tengu.


why?
I got it from a bargain in Jita?
The ship was only 30 mil below market price :O
I guess since HML is getting nerfed soon, and I won't be using them on a Tengu, its not gonna affect me as bad.
Perfect time to jump onto the T3 wagon... or so I thought.


Well, it is a great time to enjoy their power before they get nerfed, thus pay less for them. In the future, after it had been nerfed, HAMs will be used over HMLs. I think that they will be more effective as well.

I'm already using a HAM Tengu for PVE, and it's ******* boss. I do something like 940 DPS now, and after the winter patch that'll be raised to something like 990. There will be a slight increase in explosion radius (mitigated by guided missile precision) and in explosion velocity, but that won't affect my DPS against battleships which are what most of my DPS is focused on.
Also a slight range drop, but the range on HAMs is actually pretty good for their DPS as a short ranged weapon.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#33 - 2012-10-17 19:18:20 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
While on Battleclinic


Found your problem. Battleclinic is bad mmk.

.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-10-17 19:21:35 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#35 - 2012-10-17 19:28:32 UTC
Found the problem, http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ivy%20Romanova

OP doesn't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet, and has all subsystem skills at level 2, Heavy Missiles level 3, Warhead Upgrades at just level 1.
If you want to compare realistic Tengu figures put "All Level V" character in, and use t2 HMLs.

Your character is very under-skilled for the Tengu. Train Offensive 5 and other subsystem skills to 4, HML 5 and spec 4, then get Rapid Launch 5 and Warhead Upgrades 4. (This will take you a bit more than 1 month, not 2 years!!)
Also get Missile Projection to 4 as well (This is why you have terrible range). you also don't have Guided Missile Precision AT ALL! which is very important for DPS against frigates since the Tengu doesn't have drones. You also don't have acceleration control skill (5% AB speed per level).0

Honestly I would just stay in the drake for a month while you train these skills to a decent level. You'll find that your drake will also improve pretty dramatically while you are training these too! So it's not like you'll be waiting around without any gain.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-10-17 19:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
as a member of famed renter alliance INK I can confirm that tengus are useless in fights
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#37 - 2012-10-17 20:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
With my skills I do rather nicely in a HAMgu.

EVEBOARD


Current fit is as follows:


Highs

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Meds

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10mn Afterburner II
Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster


Lows

Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Rigs

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Subs

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


I get 700DPS using Scourge Rage HAMS, sustained defence of 1204, 34k EHP with the following resist %: 55/91/97/78.
The resists can be boosted, and thus the defence, by switching out one Invuln for a specific resistance amp. There are only a handful of missions that this ship cannot tank and destroy and they are the ones with Neuts or NOS. Other than that, everything dies.

As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Big smile

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#38 - 2012-10-17 20:25:59 UTC
I had a maxed out Tengu alt once. All 5's and specced where it mattered.

Sold her for many, many billions after she made many, many billions.

Yep. Confirming tengus are ****.

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Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-10-17 20:54:13 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
Sig tanking with a 10mn afterburner with kinetic HMLs can get you almost 700 dps with lvl 5 offensive subsystem.

Sig tanking at 500m/s is what gives you the ability to offset 99% of incoming damage (everything that does a ton of damage misses, beware of battlecrusiers). The tengu does NOT have the ability to tank like a drakes does, and a drake does not have the ability to sig tank like a tengu does.

keep moving, avoid webs, kill BC's first

Rouge drones is an entirely different story.... (I LOST MY TENGU a couple days ago in a 5/10 rouge drone anom.... /sob)


Sig tanking = when your sig radius is small enough not to be hit by 100 percent damage.
Speed tanking = when you move faster than they enemy can track.
hope that helps.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#40 - 2012-10-17 20:55:13 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
Found the problem, http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ivy%20Romanova

OP doesn't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet, and has all subsystem skills at level 2, Heavy Missiles level 3, Warhead Upgrades at just level 1.

The OP might also want to get his/her capacitor skills to level 5... Weapon Upgrades to level 5 and after that Advanced Weapon Upgrades to level 4... the shield rigging skill needs to be at level 4... definitely needs to work on missile skills... Spaceship Command to level 5... subsystems to level 4 at least...

OP... I recommend that you work on getting all your "support skills" to level 4 first... then go back and train them all to level 5 one by one.

How did you Veterans start?