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Odd Stacking of nano modules and astro rigs
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Edward Tivruskii
No Taxes for The Scope
#1 - 2012-10-17 15:13:37 UTC
Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.

This means that having 3 nanofibers makes auxiliary thrusters next to useless (gtives 10m/s on your already 680m/s for example)

This also means it makes more sense to either astro rig or nano, but not both at the same time.


For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Is this intentional?

And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?

regards,
Ed
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#2 - 2012-10-17 15:18:23 UTC
Need for speed.

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Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#3 - 2012-10-17 15:57:11 UTC
If I were to hazard a guess, it's probably some left over changes from the Great Nano Nerf, which was sadly before my time. Apparently everything went about 15km/s back in those days. Someone older should weigh in.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#4 - 2012-10-17 16:19:11 UTC
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.

This means that having 3 nanofibers makes auxiliary thrusters next to useless (gtives 10m/s on your already 680m/s for example)

This also means it makes more sense to either astro rig or nano, but not both at the same time.


For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Is this intentional?

And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?

regards,
Ed



Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.




It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.




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boni




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Bernard 2007
The Scarlet Storm
#5 - 2012-10-17 16:38:29 UTC
Few years back, every goddamn ship you met was doing like 2k+ M/S with the "speedy ones" like crows, Vagabonds and the like doing anything from 4,7 to 13km/s and with some bonuses even more.

They nerfed that to hell and back.

Now all ships are slow.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#6 - 2012-10-17 16:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Exploited Engineer
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.


Nope. If you read the modules and rigs description, you'll see that they are subject to the dreaded stacking penalty.

"Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized."

Bonuses subject to the stacking penalty will give 100% of the bonus for the module/rig providing the best bonus, ~80% for the next module, ~50% for the next module down to no bonus for afair the seventh and any further modules.

Edward Tivruskii wrote:

For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Cargo rigs and extenders are not subject to the stacking penalty, hence the absence of the warning in their description.

Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Is this intentional?


Very much so.

Quote:
And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?


Because due to EVE doing module stacking by multiplication, stacking tons of various modules would lead to stupidly overpowered spaceships.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-10-17 19:26:37 UTC
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.

This means that having 3 nanofibers makes auxiliary thrusters next to useless (gtives 10m/s on your already 680m/s for example)

This also means it makes more sense to either astro rig or nano, but not both at the same time.


For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Is this intentional?

And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?

regards,
Ed

boni is not the plural for bonus you ape, bonuses is.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2012-10-17 19:46:09 UTC
To put it simply; due to stacking, any more than 3 modules providing the same bonus will have next to no effect.

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The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-17 21:08:29 UTC
Bonuses.
Edward Tivruskii
No Taxes for The Scope
#10 - 2012-10-18 05:47:10 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.

This means that having 3 nanofibers makes auxiliary thrusters next to useless (gtives 10m/s on your already 680m/s for example)

This also means it makes more sense to either astro rig or nano, but not both at the same time.


For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Is this intentional?

And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?

regards,
Ed

boni is not the plural for bonus you ape, bonuses is.


In german and latin (where the word likely originates from) it indeed is, but w/e you prefer

like formula / formulae .. latin "style" of plural
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#11 - 2012-10-18 05:53:32 UTC
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.

This means that having 3 nanofibers makes auxiliary thrusters next to useless (gtives 10m/s on your already 680m/s for example)

This also means it makes more sense to either astro rig or nano, but not both at the same time.


For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Is this intentional?

And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?

regards,
Ed

boni is not the plural for bonus you ape, bonuses is.


In german and latin (where the word likely originates from) it indeed is, but w/e you prefer

like formula / formulae .. latin "style" of plural

Just be aware. "Octopi" is NOT correct plural of octopus. Among several other words. Using the Latin ending in words make you look more like a douche than anything else. The use of "boni" sound ridiculous.

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Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#12 - 2012-10-18 06:16:13 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
boni is not the plural for bonus you ape, bonuses is.


You're lucky that those Roman legions are long dead and can't give you a Latin lesson anymore.
Edward Tivruskii
No Taxes for The Scope
#13 - 2012-10-18 06:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Edward Tivruskii
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
Edward Tivruskii wrote:
Hi,

It seems astro rig boni are calculated on the base speed.
And nanos/overdrivers are calculated on the base speed too.
Afterwards both are added.

This means that having 3 nanofibers makes auxiliary thrusters next to useless (gtives 10m/s on your already 680m/s for example)

This also means it makes more sense to either astro rig or nano, but not both at the same time.


For other module / rig combinations e.g. cargo rigs the bonus seems to be calculated one after another
letting the boni to add up.


Is this intentional?

And why are the boni for those two things applied differently?

regards,
Ed

boni is not the plural for bonus you ape, bonuses is.


In german and latin (where the word likely originates from) it indeed is, but w/e you prefer

like formula / formulae .. latin "style" of plural

Just be aware. "Octopi" is NOT correct plural of octopus. Among several other words. Using the Latin ending in words make you look more like a douche than anything else. The use of "boni" sound ridiculous.


Quick look on the interwebs reveals that octopi works, too.

And as I said it is the german ending, too. Is it douchy too to use the german ending, accidently?

Thanks for pointing out though.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#14 - 2012-10-18 07:31:05 UTC
Octopi doesn't work because Octopus is rooted in Ancient Greek and therefore should not be subject to latinate pluralisation. The greek pluralisation should be Octopodes.

For bonus not only would the normal english plural be bonuses in the same way as we don't refer to people's ani...

As I understand it the latin root for bonus would be bonum which should pluralise as bona (in the same way as media is the plural of medium) and so boni would be the wrong suffix anyway...

I can't however comment on the German suffix.
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#15 - 2012-10-18 08:00:50 UTC
i love how this thread goes from talking about stacking penalty to talking about latin words... XD

Soooo this is my sig.... 
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#16 - 2012-10-18 14:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tul Breetai
Kiss my ani!!!

Or is it anodes?Shocked

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#17 - 2012-10-18 14:33:19 UTC
This is the greatest RTFM thread ever. From stacking penalties to language lessons in a dozen or so posts.
GODS H4ND
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-10-18 15:05:16 UTC
I'm enjoying this lesson, I've learnt a lot of stuff I didn't even intend on learning.

Please feel free to continue at your leisure.

Lol
GODS H4ND
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-10-18 15:11:49 UTC
There is no universally agreed upon plural of "platypus" in the English language. Scientists generally use "platypuses" or simply "platypus". Colloquially, "platypi" is also used for the plural, although this is pseudo-Latin;[3] the Greek plural would be "platypodes".
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-10-18 16:10:20 UTC
GODS H4ND wrote:
There is no universally agreed upon plural of "platypus" in the English language. Scientists generally use "platypuses" or simply "platypus". Colloquially, "platypi" is also used for the plural, although this is pseudo-Latin;[3] the Greek plural would be "platypodes".


I'm going to name one of my ships "Platypodes".

That's awesome.
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