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tradelacey bio
#1 - 2012-10-17 11:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: tradelacey bio
Hello again MD

well after my last visit to this forum i have made some changes to my adventures.

alliance backing.
solid plan.


All the above i beleave i have, only thing stopping me is funding.

I currently run a ore buy program within an alliance basics are i buy all there ore for 90% jita buy price.

and so far it is working well, Currently i have contracts i cant take in as the isk is just not moving fast enough and i need help.

in the form of micro finance, this will give some one or a few players chance to get in on the deal.
ok how does it work.

ok well as i said i buy an alliance ore for 90% jita buy price and use in house freighters to move the ore to jita for resale.

also some of the ore is brought from other corps within alliance to manufacture, again i use in house freighter service for this.

My isk is always tied in knots, i need outsider help im thinking instead of another loan like i did last time, i am thinking more along the lines of shares.

i am currently willing to sell off 10% of my corp's shares.

there are 10k shares within corp BUT i will only sell 10% at this time.

thats 1k shares for sale for a period of 3 months. total time is 4 months i expect this to take 1 month to set up and to get hold of all the isk needed.

shares will be sold for 10mill per share.

share's will pay out 10% of corp wallet per month for 3 months then after 3 months time period all shares wil be brought back for full price.

thats 10mill per share.

ok last thing i would like to say i have had loans and had friends help in resent and they have already said they would like 50 shares between them for there isk+help so only 950 shares are for sale.

ok time for you guys to rip me a new one :)

yes i know my corp is named monopoply i may of been drunk when i started it.


also feel free to convo me or mail me for more info.




i should also say i do not expect to sell all shares at this point in time 100 shares sold will do.

edit ; old loan forum post Linky
this by no means shows i am trustworthy, but it will give you an ruff idea how long i have been trading.

re-edit: i should also say this post is to find out if any public would be intrested if not i will keep it within alliance.



Thank you.

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tradelacey bio
#2 - 2012-10-17 11:25:14 UTC  |  Edited by: tradelacey bio
Contracts brought start date
01-9-12
1*550mill 55mill profit
2*220mill 22mill profit
3*125mill 12.5 mill profit
4*108mill 10.8 mil profit
5*522mill 52.2 mill profit
6*432mil 43.2mil profit
1-10-12
Total :1,957billion

Outstanding contracts from september

contract on top of above i should of been able to take.
1*tritanium 342mill
2*mexalon 112mill
3*nocxium 108mill
4*tritanium 650mill
5*tritanium 423mill
6*mexalon 350mill
7*zydrine 108mill
8*mexalon 344mill
Total :2.437billion

all above are or wos 10% under jit buy price at time of setting up.
3 expired.


please also note only 2 weeks and 2 days in 2nd month i have taken in

tritanium 952mill
mexalon 747mil
nocxium 342mill
zydrine 112mill
megacite 334mill
all are mins i got from ore once refined from 2nd month.

as you can see we are growing at a fast pace but finance is slowing this down.

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tradelacey bio
#3 - 2012-10-17 11:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: tradelacey bio
also reserved

please do not send any isk


i will post here If i go ahead with this.


Currently wating on you guys to post :)

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#4 - 2012-10-17 11:53:19 UTC
tradelacey bio wrote:
each share will pay out 10% of corp wallet per month for 3 months then after 3 months time period all shares wil be brought back for full price.


How are you going to pay out 10,000% of corp wallet per month?

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
tradelacey bio
#5 - 2012-10-17 12:02:01 UTC  |  Edited by: tradelacey bio
Tul Breetai wrote:
tradelacey bio wrote:
each share will pay out 10% of corp wallet per month for 3 months then after 3 months time period all shares wil be brought back for full price.


How are you going to pay out 10,000% of corp wallet per month?


good point i may add

only 10% will be payed out every month to all share holders.


there are 10k shares within corp BUT i will only sell 10% at this time.


10% of 10k is 1k for sale.


1k shares for sale.

sorry for any mix up.

Fixed.

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#6 - 2012-10-17 12:17:31 UTC
ya know, you could just outsource to me. tell them to forward whatever contracts you can't fill and I'll take care of it, so long as the price is what you say it is.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
tradelacey bio
#7 - 2012-10-17 12:22:05 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
ya know, you could just outsource to me. tell them to forward whatever contracts you can't fill and I'll take care of it, so long as the price is what you say it is.



i could But No thank you this does not work in my favour, every share sold will be used multiple times a month.

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adriaans
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
#8 - 2012-10-18 15:32:15 UTC
I'd offer to take outsourcing and pay % of profits of it, but given you already said no to the other guy I won't bother.

You have no collateral from what I can see, nothing to show to be considered trustworthy given no collateral, so why would I give my money?

(Not that I'm interested, the profits would be terrible for me, but I'm sure someone is).

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tradelacey bio
#9 - 2012-10-18 16:56:22 UTC
adriaans wrote:
I'd offer to take outsourcing and pay % of profits of it, but given you already said no to the other guy I won't bother.

You have no collateral from what I can see, nothing to show to be considered trustworthy given no collateral, so why would I give my money?

(Not that I'm interested, the profits would be terrible for me, but I'm sure someone is).


well as collateral stands if i did have resource to get the isk (without selling my char) i would offer but i do not have even close to enough at this time to cover the contracts i have on private, if i could think of a better way of sourcing this i would.

As it stands i have been offered a deal that would suit both share holder and me, As for being trust worthy granted other than previous finished loan your right i dont have anything to show this, this wos always a long shot but one i did think wos worth it.


i may rethink the outsourcing if all else fails, but i would of course want to make atleast a little profit i will post at a later date if i change my mind again this is only a maybe.

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2012-10-19 07:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aliventi
So my quick calcs say you made 195.8 mil isk off accepting 1,957 bil isk in contracts. You have another potential 243.7 mil isk ready to be made. And you want to sell 1000 shares for 10 mil isk a share? That's 10 bil isk. I don't see why you need 10 bil isk for less than 4 bil in contracts so far.

If you could get the price paid down from 90% jita price to something more like 75-80% where you would be making a lot more isk for the effort I would be all over this. 10% off jita price, IMO, just isn't making you enough isk for what you are doing.

But as it stands 10% of your corp wallet after this goes through is a lot to be paying back every month. And on top of that you have to pay back the 10 bil from the shares at the end.

Here is what I think you should do, and there are people better suited for this than I am so take my advice with a grain of salt:
1. 10 bil is way to much. I think 1 or 2 bil isk would free up some of those contracts and allow you to get what you need to done.
1b. I think you should just ask for uncollateralized 1-2 bil for a set interest payment. 8-10% interest every month on a bil isk would even get me willing to invest. Shares are a bad idea.
2. 90% of the jita price is too much. For the amount of hauling you have to do you just aren't making enough to be be worth while. 75-80% (maybe 85% if you are super nice) should be your target IMO. Your profits aren't covering your growth like it needs to be for you to succeed without others proping you up.
3. Friends are bad. Business and friends need to be separate. This is business. Do what you need to do to not owe them anything.
4. Not every sentence needs to be it's own paragraph.

Just some things to think about:
1. Is there another way to move the minerals? Can you make ships or something profitable to compress the minerals so you have less freighter trips?
2. Are you directing what the miners should mine? I think you should tell them what you want because it's the most profitable for their time and yours. More profitable mins = more profit.
3. Are you looking for ways to boost your miners efficiency in mining and refining? Perfect refining isn't that hard to get. More mins = more profit.


Just some ideas. But I like what you have so far. Fix a few things and I would be more than happy to invest. Blink
tradelacey bio
#11 - 2012-10-19 17:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: tradelacey bio
Aliventi wrote:
So my quick calcs say you made 195.8 mil isk off accepting 1,957 bil isk in contracts. You have another potential 243.7 mil isk ready to be made. And you want to sell 1000 shares for 10 mil isk a share? That's 10 bil isk. I don't see why you need 10 bil isk for less than 4 bil in contracts so far.

If you could get the price paid down from 90% jita price to something more like 75-80% where you would be making a lot more isk for the effort I would be all over this. 10% off jita price, IMO, just isn't making you enough isk for what you are doing.

But as it stands 10% of your corp wallet after this goes through is a lot to be paying back every month. And on top of that you have to pay back the 10 bil from the shares at the end.

Here is what I think you should do, and there are people better suited for this than I am so take my advice with a grain of salt:
1. 10 bil is way to much. I think 1 or 2 bil isk would free up some of those contracts and allow you to get what you need to done.
1b. I think you should just ask for uncollateralized 1-2 bil for a set interest payment. 8-10% interest every month on a bil isk would even get me willing to invest. Shares are a bad idea.
2. 90% of the jita price is too much. For the amount of hauling you have to do you just aren't making enough to be be worth while. 75-80% (maybe 85% if you are super nice) should be your target IMO. Your profits aren't covering your growth like it needs to be for you to succeed without others proping you up.
3. Friends are bad. Business and friends need to be separate. This is business. Do what you need to do to not owe them anything.
4. Not every sentence needs to be it's own paragraph.

Just some things to think about:
1. Is there another way to move the minerals? Can you make ships or something profitable to compress the minerals so you have less freighter trips?
2. Are you directing what the miners should mine? I think you should tell them what you want because it's the most profitable for their time and yours. More profitable mins = more profit.
3. Are you looking for ways to boost your miners efficiency in mining and refining? Perfect refining isn't that hard to get. More mins = more profit.


Just some ideas. But I like what you have so far. Fix a few things and I would be more than happy to invest. Blink


ok you have brought up some very interesting ideas, this has like i said been working solid within my alliance (on an alt)

i have already asked for a drop in price in the region or 80% to counter the mass amount of hauling, as for the 10bill i will give you that, it wos always way over the top, i did already say i do not expect to get full funding BUT i wanted to make sure i had enough capital to cover doing this with public corp's, i should of really said i would only like to sell 5% of the 1k shares but wanted to leave my options open for future expanding this idea .

so far i have had 3 corp's contact me asking what i can cover on a monthly basis. and so far my answer has been 2bill max as this is what i have to hand, and the Indy corp's didn't like the answer, and i cant blame them.

after your post i see this needs alot more thinking and rethinking to iron out the details.
i will see how the alliance feels for the 80% first and then repost a full detailed report, if they don't like it i wil keep this small, but i still stand on making this work, just needs more time and work better profits.
as for selling the shares well this wos my best way of in sorts showing some kind of trust with this amount of capital.

but granted 10bill is way over what i currently need, maybe im thinking too large at this stage, i will go back to the drawing board
and find some better numbers to work with.

also number 4. :) my bad i like paragraph's.

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tradelacey bio
#12 - 2012-10-21 19:26:14 UTC
ok so here we are

new price structure, So far has been bringing alot more iskys back in to this.

currently we are buying alliance mins and public mins at the same rate of 85% across the board, this has for some insane reason
got us more customers.
our older corps are alittle unhappy with the price rise.
ok the last few days have brought in alot more in the way of mins

First Order with new prices
Tritanium 51,591,734
Pyerite 12,629,449
Mexallon 8,689,498
Isogen 737,137
Nocxium 208,819
Zydrine 30150
Megacyte 161,100

2nd
Tritanium 49,896,789
Pyerite 22,855.589
Mexallon 4,689,498
Isogen 737,137
Nocxium 208,819
Zydrine 37,498
Megacyte 16,100

3rd
Tritanium 86,000.000
pyerite 32,000,000
Mexallon 40,000,000
Zydrine 100,000

4th
Isogen - 1.6mil
Megacyte - 26k
Mexallon - 11mil
Nocxium - 460k
Pyerite - 29mil
Tritanium - 220mil
Zydrine - 72k

all above is in units

so far i have managed to cover 50% of the above but i still need funding
here is what im asking
i would like to find backing from a player who would like to make profits over a 3 month period, so i can build this up as i intended originaly
as the shares seem to be a bad idea i am asking for any amount of funding as little as 1 bill up to my max 5bill

as i have no collateral to hand im offering (assuming 1 player takes me up on this) to have an alt join our holding corp and i will make him or her ceo until loan is payed off
of course there needs to be rules for this.
im expecting profits to be in the area of 10% per month over the 3 months.
just this weekend i have grown my wallet to 3bill but i still need more to finish the other contracts.

we have also found a new output for the above mins, we have started selling to corps with a delivery charge and is working really well, i am hoping some one interested will convo or mail me so we can come up with something to get this working as intended.

i didn't fully see this getting this big and it has alot of potential to become massive if i had enough funding.

thanks for looking.




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Thoraemond
Far Ranger
#13 - 2012-10-21 20:06:39 UTC
tradelacey bio wrote:
share's will pay out 10% of corp wallet per month for 3 months then after 3 months time period all shares wil be brought back for full price.

Why would investors want 10% of whatever amount happens to be in the corp wallet each month?

And won't you be using the ISK you raise through this public offering? (That's the point of getting public funds, isn't it? To use those funds?) The more efficient your use of the ISK, the closer to 0 the corp wallet balance will be, and the smaller the "10%" payouts, right?

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tradelacey bio
#14 - 2012-10-21 22:00:39 UTC
Financing Found 5bill received see you in 1 month for update.


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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#15 - 2012-10-21 22:02:45 UTC
I confirm that I have decided to invest 5 bil isk at 10% interest payed back at the end of the 3 month term. The total payed back on Jan 21st will be 6.5 bil isk. If tradelacey bio wishes to end the loan early then tradelacey bio will pay back the 5 bil isk investment + whatever interest has accrued. Updates will happen every month. Good luck. Godspeed. Go make some isk.
tradelacey bio
#16 - 2012-10-26 11:51:48 UTC
All below are contracts currently finalised
Hi.
I Have following weekly quantities:

Isogen - 1.6mil (210mill)
Megacyte - 26k (55mill)
Mexallon - 11mil (670mill)
Nocxium - 460k (295mill)
Pyerite - 29mil (365mill)
Tritanium - 220mil (1,34 bill)
Zydrine - 72k (55mill)
Hey there again! another mineral order :)
Tritanium 51,591,734
Pyerite 12,629,449
Mexallon 4,689,498
Isogen 737,137
Nocxium 208,819
Zydrine 37,498
Megacyte 16,100
Hi

iso - 726,302
mega - 13,186
mex - 4,791,532
nocx - 207,054
pye - 13,502,562
trit - 87,939,520
zyd - 34,770



Tritanium 81,990,000
Pyerite 12,639,549
Mexallon 4,689,498
Isogen 937,137
Nocxium 508,819
Zydrine 97,498
Megacyte 56,180

Hi,
I have found your advert on forums.

 Please quote me for:
11,750.000 isogen
126.200 megacyte
42.721.000 mexallon
210.000 nocxium
112.707.000 pyerite
62.000.000 tritanium
137.800 zydrine



tritanium
4billion units (estimated price) 24billion isk

Delivery





Due to high lvl orders coming in i have aquired more funding
above loan is still active but i have sold some chars and im thinking of asking for more funding please any other players willing to know more please read above and realise there is still a active loan in process

from my initial loan i need another 5 bill to 10bill i still have more contracts that i can mannage

current funding is
5bill loan + 500mill intrested (first 5 days)
my own isk 3billion
char sold 6billion

friends investment 500mill.

if none are trusting enough to invest in a investment that is already running a dept
i would be wiling to pay off first loan to secure a better one for a close deal as to the one i have.

in reality i need 20bill but at this time 10 will be enough.

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Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#17 - 2012-10-26 12:55:39 UTC
So after 5 days you are trying to exchange a 5 Bil unsecured funding with a 10 Bil..
Is Aliventi aware of this?
Are you sure Aliventi isn't your alt?
Could you link the thread with the char trade, and is there any connection clearly visible to this toon?
I could maybe use the search function, but you are here asking for our money, at least save us some work!
Have you considered giving out your full API so that someone can fact check your numbers?
As it is, the numbers you are typing a 12 year old with a calculator could produce the same "facts".

Sorry mate, but this is going way to fast for anyone in here I think, so I guess there is only two more things to say.

Good luck Tradelacey!

But more important, Good luck Aliventi!
tradelacey bio
#18 - 2012-10-26 16:25:44 UTC
Tom Hagen wrote:
So after 5 days you are trying to exchange a 5 Bil unsecured funding with a 10 Bil..
Is Aliventi aware of this?
Are you sure Aliventi isn't your alt?
Could you link the thread with the char trade, and is there any connection clearly visible to this toon?
I could maybe use the search function, but you are here asking for our money, at least save us some work!
Have you considered giving out your full API so that someone can fact check your numbers?
As it is, the numbers you are typing a 12 year old with a calculator could produce the same "facts".

Sorry mate, but this is going way to fast for anyone in here I think, so I guess there is only two more things to say.

Good luck Tradelacey!

But more important, Good luck Aliventi!


aliventi has been given all the details, and yes i can link the sale of my char with clear connection, as for trying to exchange a 5bill for a 10bill well tbh if i wos trying to conn or miss lead any one would i just not give this option to pay aliventi off first ?, Dont mean to sound rude and i know how you guys work i mean lets face it many have took off with your iskys many times before, but if i wos to pay off first loan i would break the thing i have going, no more customers no more incoming iskys my trade is done with.

As for api IF i had the right offer i would of course give out relevant info first to check my numbers if this is going to quick for you i am really sorry.
but on a side note thank you for the bump :P.



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tradelacey bio
#19 - 2012-10-27 11:30:30 UTC
Funding found

i now have 2 loans running

first loan
5bill +10% per month
6.5 bill total

2nd loan
7bill + set interest set at 1.8bill after 3 months
both on 3 months estimated time frame

additional 3 bill open but not essential.

thank's.

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tradelacey bio
#20 - 2012-12-05 19:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: tradelacey bio
time to get this moved to C&P


It wos all a lie i keep da iskys from all involved :) thanks.



total 12 bill and all above numbers wos made up i mean come on really :P.

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