Science & Industry

Hi, I'm a solominer and missionrunner.
Im mining in a system which is about 10 jumps from Amarr.
Now my question is if i should rather get a Orca for better mining and missionrunning,
or a Providence, to transport my tons of ore to Amarr.

Erm, definitely what?

So I think I'll grab a Orca.
Thank you for your help. :]

Yeah, I'm multiboxing 2 Accounts.
So the Orca will be the better solution i think.

edit: missed your post stating you had 2 accounts. NVM.


You are better off training the 2nd toon for the Orca. Get a freighter when you have the money. Use the Orca in the meantime for major hauling in it's Cargohold and Corp Hold. I have a Freighter but it only gets used to haul 925,000 m3 of ores all of 3 jumps to be refined. Then I use the Orca to deliver minerals to Market.

Also, they are devising ever more clever ways to pop Freighters at the major trade hubs. Do at your own risk.

hopefully you're transporting minerals, not ore. if you're transporting ore, find a close station to refine at, then transport the minerals. i'd personally suggest the orca, they can be used in numerous ways; boosting, transporting, mini station, work well with PI, etc. a freighter is nice for transport, but its prolly overkill for two accounts, especially if you're refining. you can also invest in certain bpo's to compress minerals with, of course you'll need some manufacturers, but this can vastly improve your transport amounts, especially if you have a perfect build on one end and and a perfect refine on the other.

and yes, freighters are tanky, but they are also ganky, not to mention you don't get any mods on them so its just the base model and nothing more. the old rule of thumb was a max cargo haul of $1B or less. not sure if that's still the case but there is a price which will make gankers take notice. and unfortunately a freighter gives them plenty of time to prepare. best of luck.

Freighters do get ganked. But not freighters full of minerals. Although it is not hard to get over 1 bil worth of minerals in a freighter, due to the high volume, they are not juicy targets for gankers. Dispite many opinions to the contrary, freighter ganking is generally done for profit.

The main targets are freighter loads of ships and modules where the drop is guaranteed to be worth more than the ships lost ganking it. There are so many of these there is no need to ever gank a freighter full of minerals. A freighter is only a gank target if the pilot is stupid enough to make themselves a target. I have been flying freighters for 3 years in and out of Jita and have yet to lose one.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14860670

Not that tanky.

And they are super-slow and take awhile to Warp, especially after station Exit. Plenty of time to get popped by a large enough gang in High Sec willing to sacrifice ships to the Gods of CONCORD.

In the meantime, consider using some hauling service like Red Frog Freight. They can deliver the goods to a hub and you will only be taking a 1-5% loss in profit by using their services. Do the math tho to see if it is or is not profitable for you.

As for freighter vs orca. A freighter is better for a miner since you can move all of the minerals or the ores. If you mine for a few days you will already be past 150k in minerals which is more or less the max an orca can hold. A freighter however, can keep a week or more worth of ores/minerals in the bay and ontop of that, if your system starts getting 'mined out' then you can move over a few systems, mine there and haul the ores to your refining station. Gives you a lot more freedom to do what you want.

You should only start to consider the orca when you want to get into manufacturing and start to move high value, low volume goods, in bulk to markets. A freighter will get popped if you have more than 2-3b of goods in there, an orca... you can't get them to drop from the corp hangar.

Wise choice, both are pretty much as equally useful in their own way. I'd certainly spend more focus training the Orcas boost capabilities before maxing out your freighters cargo hold.
Yes freighters can be blown up in high sec, but then what can't? I've been moving minerals around Amarr high sec in a freighter for years without any issues...I would never set it on auto pilot even in high sec though.