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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-10-17 11:03:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
WilliamMays wrote:
The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players. If there were no entry fee at all, there would be a lot of no-show teams, and even more weak teams that would get steamrolled.

if that were true an isk entrance fee would serve the purpose just as well and would be a lot less controversial

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-10-17 11:14:43 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Andski wrote:
Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating.
And the costs aren't huge ... a pittance compared to annual expenditures

How do you know what the costs are? Essentially you're arguing from ignorance.
I'd imagine the cost to run a tournament on the order of $10K-20K. Employee overtime. Production costs.

paid overtime will probably be far less of an issue than opportunity cost (inb4 tournaments I organize myself are free)

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Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-10-17 11:19:31 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players. If there were no entry fee at all, there would be a lot of no-show teams, and even more weak teams that would get steamrolled.

if that were true an isk entrance fee would serve the purpose just as well and would be a lot less controversial


Wait what? It would be the same exact thing!

Why are people thinking that CCP is getting money for each plex taken out of the game. It's money that people have already spent and that CCP already has in its wallet. I doubt corps are paying actual cash for a stack of 20 plex to enter the tournament. The only way CCP may see additional revenue from the entrance fee is if PLEX prices skyrocket and convince more people to purchase them as a direct cause. However, given the daily volume of PLEX, that is quite unlikely.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#44 - 2012-10-17 14:04:12 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Where is Randy Moss when you need him?


Humping the shady side of a tree.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#45 - 2012-10-17 14:07:43 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players
And I pointed out that I understand that.

I would be far less annoyed if CCP were putting the entry-fee plex back into the tournament as additional prizes.


Why would they do that when they can put it back into the development of the game we love? Don't want the tourney? Well then be glad CCP are charging for it so it makes your game-play better. Business owners don't just pay themselves more when the business earns a little extra, its put back into the business. You are full of terrible posts. I propose you stop posting indefinitely.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-10-17 14:16:41 UTC
This kind of Tournament is not new in the gaming universe, CCP FINALLY got in.

Don't like it? -don't do it.

Simple, no?

brb
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#47 - 2012-10-17 14:20:17 UTC
So, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're mostly upset because you won't have a chance at 10,000 dollars? You must be American, too. We'll boycott anything it seems. Although, I totally agree with boycotting something like Chic-fil-dumb, boycotting a tournament that you, yourself, are probably unable to enter just sounds selfish.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#48 - 2012-10-17 14:57:37 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I am going to learn to bake!



Yes, but will you bake cookies or cake?

And can you get Betty Crocker to pay for your cookoff tournament fees? She should have plenty of money, she can afford to write off the entry fees to her baking contests.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#49 - 2012-10-17 15:49:24 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
If your corp can't afford the 10 bill to enter you're probably not making it that far anyway...



All of this points to the fact that CCP is now exploiting the fact that there is TOO MUCH ISK IN-GAME.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#50 - 2012-10-17 15:51:03 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I am going to learn to bake!



Yes, but will you bake cookies or cake?

And can you get Betty Crocker to pay for your cookoff tournament fees? She should have plenty of money, she can afford to write off the entry fees to her baking contests.



It's all that compound interest Ms. Crocker has been accumulating since 1921. Big smile

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#51 - 2012-10-17 16:06:42 UTC
The cost is the main reason myself, and everyone I talked to is refusing to enter this "tournament"


5isk says some scandal/rigging will be involved...
Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#52 - 2012-10-17 16:10:04 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Where is Randy Moss when you need him?


Either taking a break during the play or running over police officers.

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#53 - 2012-10-17 16:11:59 UTC
D4mane wrote:


The difference with EVE is that you need also the time to train the actual ingame skills as well as the traditional knowhow, as opposed to Starcraft where you need fast fingers and a lot of practice, so there is a entry level barrier in EVE that you don't have in other games.


This. EVE just cannot be an Esport because of this barrier. It takes years of training to hope to compete at that level of play and the people that have been playing longer will always be at an advantage. In games like LoL or Halo or CoD or Starcraft there is a very low bar to have everything you need to compete unlocked to make the playing feild as fair as possible.

In EVE if you have a team of 25 million SP pilots going against a team with 125 million SP pilots the team with more SP can just out ship the lesser trained team, totally dominate them because the lesser SP team can't counter them due to not being able to fly ships, and it is a boring ceremony.

If you want to make EVE an Esport, then at the start of the tourny every team gets an equal pool of SP to divide between the pilots and the team will then build a skillsheet to coincide with the ships they plan on flying based on the ship points they can spend. Because unless it's equal it's not worth watching.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#54 - 2012-10-17 16:28:21 UTC
Schalac wrote:
D4mane wrote:


The difference with EVE is that you need also the time to train the actual ingame skills as well as the traditional knowhow, as opposed to Starcraft where you need fast fingers and a lot of practice, so there is a entry level barrier in EVE that you don't have in other games.


This. EVE just cannot be an Esport because of this barrier. It takes years of training to hope to compete at that level of play and the people that have been playing longer will always be at an advantage. In games like LoL or Halo or CoD or Starcraft there is a very low bar to have everything you need to compete unlocked to make the playing feild as fair as possible.

In EVE if you have a team of 25 million SP pilots going against a team with 125 million SP pilots the team with more SP can just out ship the lesser trained team, totally dominate them because the lesser SP team can't counter them due to not being able to fly ships, and it is a boring ceremony.

If you want to make EVE an Esport, then at the start of the tourny every team gets an equal pool of SP to divide between the pilots and the team will then build a skillsheet to coincide with the ships they plan on flying based on the ship points they can spend. Because unless it's equal it's not worth watching.


LoL requires you to have unlocked several champions, be level 30, and have enough runes to tweak your summoner just right for each champ you play. This requires lots of time earning the points, or you to spend enough money to buy all those things.

If only Eve had some sort of character bazaar where you could buy a character with enough skill points to compete...

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#55 - 2012-10-17 16:35:56 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Schalac wrote:
D4mane wrote:


The difference with EVE is that you need also the time to train the actual ingame skills as well as the traditional knowhow, as opposed to Starcraft where you need fast fingers and a lot of practice, so there is a entry level barrier in EVE that you don't have in other games.


This. EVE just cannot be an Esport because of this barrier. It takes years of training to hope to compete at that level of play and the people that have been playing longer will always be at an advantage. In games like LoL or Halo or CoD or Starcraft there is a very low bar to have everything you need to compete unlocked to make the playing feild as fair as possible.

In EVE if you have a team of 25 million SP pilots going against a team with 125 million SP pilots the team with more SP can just out ship the lesser trained team, totally dominate them because the lesser SP team can't counter them due to not being able to fly ships, and it is a boring ceremony.

If you want to make EVE an Esport, then at the start of the tourny every team gets an equal pool of SP to divide between the pilots and the team will then build a skillsheet to coincide with the ships they plan on flying based on the ship points they can spend. Because unless it's equal it's not worth watching.


LoL requires you to have unlocked several champions, be level 30, and have enough runes to tweak your summoner just right for each champ you play. This requires lots of time earning the points, or you to spend enough money to buy all those things.

If only Eve had some sort of character bazaar where you could buy a character with enough skill points to compete...

Please. I maxed out at level 30 in LoL in just under a month, and it took me maybe three months to have enough IP to buy all of the teir 3 runes I needed for a Twitch a Karth a Xin a Yi a Mundo a Teemo a Heimer a Fiddlesticks and a Kat. I would also bet that by the time that I was good enough at playing LoL at the level they they do in the tournament I would have that entire game unlocked without paying a dime.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-10-17 16:38:26 UTC
If you don't want to be a part of something that is voluntary than don't. Simple as that. Don't like the rules? Don't play. Don't like the entrance fee? Don't enter.

I hate it when people protest over something that has absolutely no effect on them if they just ignore it and move on with life.

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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#57 - 2012-10-17 16:46:00 UTC
Promote ISK sinks... they're good for ccp... and what most players fail to realise is that when CCP does well... we all do well.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-10-17 17:11:04 UTC
how come its always the same no-life douchebags on the first page of every thread?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#59 - 2012-10-17 17:13:01 UTC
Schalac wrote:
I would also bet that by the time that I was good enough at playing LoL at the level they they do in the tournament I would have that entire game unlocked without paying a dime.


I would also bet by the time you could fly well enough to be competitive in an Eve tournament, your character would have all the skills you're complaining take so long to train up. Or at the very least, you could've made enough isk to buy a character that had them.

Either way, the in-game stuff comes easy enough with time. It's the player's skills and knowledge of the game that matter in both.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#60 - 2012-10-17 17:27:30 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
how come its always the same no-life douchebags on the first page of every thread?


Like the OP on this thread?

Total douchebag and starcraft fanboi. Can you believe he actually pays to watch starcraft games other people play?

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