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You guys suck at making patch files

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#41 - 2012-10-16 13:40:24 UTC
If you are a computer professional, then you obviously have at least one backup of your EVE install, probably 2(after all, what kind of developer doesn't back things up before applying a patch?)

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Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-10-16 13:40:39 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
Miners, now that you can't even extend the ore hold;


I, too, wish they would give us back the ability to extend the ore hold.

And boom goes the dynamite.
Isaphras
Ponies Love Napalm
#43 - 2012-10-16 13:41:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Isaphras wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
i too would like a private download stream from ccp since my 6 meg connection has room to spare when i download from you, a private network cable from your HQ would be fine too.

Please call between 2-4pm thanks.

Grow up OP its patch day


No other large games have this problem of ****** download servers? I'm sorry, but Blizzard's datacenter doesn't go down when SC2 patches.

I'll just let you stop and think about why that is. It's pretty clear to me what the difference is.


What, that EVE has bad servers / not enough upstream? I have servers, even the most ridiculous hardware isn't that expensive because your datacenter loves to strike deals to keep clients; often charging you monthly a fee 1/50th the price of purchasing the server itself.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2012-10-16 13:42:07 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
No other large games have this problem of ****** download servers? I'm sorry, but Blizzard's datacenter doesn't go down when SC2 patches.
…and by the looks of it, CCP's download servers aren't down either.

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Of course, yet it's going up and down constantly.
Yes? Is this your first patch day? Testing and checking the server is pretty SOP when a new build is put in place.
Isaphras
Ponies Love Napalm
#45 - 2012-10-16 13:42:27 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
If you are a computer professional, then you obviously have at least one backup of your EVE install, probably 2(after all, what kind of developer doesn't back things up before applying a patch?)


I wasn't able to DOWNLOAD the patch, let alone apply it. The EVE client says the patch doesn't exist at the location it tries to download from.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#46 - 2012-10-16 13:42:47 UTC
Megos Adriano wrote:
Isaphras wrote:
Miners, now that you can't even extend the ore hold;


I, too, wish they would give us back the ability to extend the ore hold.

My rorqual would like this too.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#47 - 2012-10-16 13:43:44 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
If you are a computer professional, then you obviously have at least one backup of your EVE install, probably 2(after all, what kind of developer doesn't back things up before applying a patch?)


I wasn't able to DOWNLOAD the patch, let alone apply it. The EVE client says the patch doesn't exist at the location it tries to download from.

I think you need to have a talk with your ISP, bro.

Everyone else seems to have successfully downloaded it.

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Isaphras
Ponies Love Napalm
#48 - 2012-10-16 13:44:05 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Megos Adriano wrote:
Isaphras wrote:
Miners, now that you can't even extend the ore hold;


I, too, wish they would give us back the ability to extend the ore hold.

My rorqual would like this too.


Yeah, splitting the holds make cargo expanders (and the related rigs) pretty useless for miners / industrial.

Tippia wrote:
Quote:
Of course, yet it's going up and down constantly.
Yes? Is this your first patch day? Testing and checking the server is pretty SOP when a new build is put in place.


I've patched many times, always on patch day; often during downtime. This is the first time I've encountered so many problems doing so.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2012-10-16 13:45:50 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
I've patched many times, always on patch day; often during downtime. This is the first time I've encountered so many problems doing so.
…and the rest of us haven't. If you've been around so many times, why are you pointing towards normal procedures and events as of they were a sign of something being wrong?
Isaphras
Ponies Love Napalm
#50 - 2012-10-16 13:45:57 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Isaphras wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
If you are a computer professional, then you obviously have at least one backup of your EVE install, probably 2(after all, what kind of developer doesn't back things up before applying a patch?)


I wasn't able to DOWNLOAD the patch, let alone apply it. The EVE client says the patch doesn't exist at the location it tries to download from.

I think you need to have a talk with your ISP, bro.

Everyone else seems to have successfully downloaded it.


Process;
1. http://i.imgur.com/RBE08.png
2. http://i.imgur.com/RwHe8.png
3. http://i.imgur.com/TP4JT.png

It seems it's an issue with CCP servers according to the error in image 2.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-10-16 13:47:19 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
What, that EVE has bad servers / not enough upstream? I have servers, even the most ridiculous hardware isn't that expensive because your datacenter loves to strike deals to keep clients; often charging you monthly a fee 1/50th the price of purchasing the server itself.

It's because SC2 as a game involves a common interface you connect to that doesn't change, and the server doesn't need to change because the communications always remain exactly the same. Not to mention the game servers are merely a bridge to go between you and the other players in a game of at most 7 other computers, whereas the amount of calculations the EVE server must do necessitates more software.

Isaphras wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
If you are a computer professional, then you obviously have at least one backup of your EVE install, probably 2(after all, what kind of developer doesn't back things up before applying a patch?)


I wasn't able to DOWNLOAD the patch, let alone apply it. The EVE client says the patch doesn't exist at the location it tries to download from.

Funny how the rest of us were able to download it. Maybe you should look elsewhere before you blame CCP.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-10-16 13:48:11 UTC
its generally a wise decision to leave the patching till the servers are actually fully open, if you patch before hand you still cant play and may have to apply smaller patches should they be necessary.

besides, its not even a 200 meg patch, its not like its going to take long even at 200k/s.

also nice people like chribba will have the last patch to update to TQ build on his torrent from eve files, the more you know.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#53 - 2012-10-16 13:48:32 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
It seems it's an issue with CCP servers according to the error in image 2.
No. It seems there's an issue with you connecting to said file. Whether it's on your end or theirs is left unknown.

The fact that I'm looking at a login screen where I can study how many testers are on the server seems to suggest that it's not on theirs…
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#54 - 2012-10-16 13:49:14 UTC
obvius troll as soon as i read "nerfs all the ships" and of course " hulk is no longer solo miner"

0/10, please put more effort into your obvius trolls at least
Isaphras
Ponies Love Napalm
#55 - 2012-10-16 13:49:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Isaphras wrote:
What, that EVE has bad servers / not enough upstream? I have servers, even the most ridiculous hardware isn't that expensive because your datacenter loves to strike deals to keep clients; often charging you monthly a fee 1/50th the price of purchasing the server itself.

It's because SC2 as a game involves a common interface you connect to that doesn't change, and the server doesn't need to change because the communications always remain exactly the same. Not to mention the game servers are merely a bridge to go between you and the other players in a game of at most 7 other computers, whereas the amount of calculations the EVE server must do necessitates more software.

Isaphras wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
If you are a computer professional, then you obviously have at least one backup of your EVE install, probably 2(after all, what kind of developer doesn't back things up before applying a patch?)


I wasn't able to DOWNLOAD the patch, let alone apply it. The EVE client says the patch doesn't exist at the location it tries to download from.

Funny how the rest of us were able to download it. Maybe you should look elsewhere before you blame CCP.


Please view the post immediately above yours. As per the SC2 comparison, yeah; I understand that. I'm speaking however of the whole "downloading patch" bit. 100,000 people downloading a 3.6MB file doesn't suddenly slow the entire DC to ****.
Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-10-16 13:50:50 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
Yeah, splitting the holds make cargo expanders (and the related rigs) pretty useless for miners / industrial.


Heh, yeah, you're right. I concede the point. They should switch my 27,000m3 ore bay back to the 1500m3 I had before so my 3x Expanded Cargo Hold II will increase it.

And boom goes the dynamite.
Melchir Prime
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-10-16 13:51:23 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/4vk42.png

Yeah no, not going to re-download EVE again just to update, especially when all the updates nerf all the ships.

EVE was a great game, but starting from the Miner updates (maybe even before this) it's been going downhill. The alliance coalition used to have about 28000 players active, now we're down to about 6000. Miners, now that you can't even extend the ore hold; and the Hulk isn't a solo miner anymore, there's nothing you can do without having a full mining fleet; unless you want to jet and haul for yourself.

And don't even get me started on the Tengu changes, cruiser changes, etc.

But not even being able to update? That definitely takes the cake for me. Your download servers are slow enough that I don't want to download the full game again, especially when the patch was only 3.6 MB according to the client; then erroring out because the patch doesn't exist; and telling me I have to download the entire game again.

I have a 1GBPS full duplex line, and I get about 200kb/sec in your downloader; seriously?

NOTE: I was playing EVE just fine 20 hours ago.



FAIL

Tips 1

After update dont use *.exe file

Tips 2

Use Eve Launcher . Patching 100%
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2012-10-16 13:52:38 UTC
Isaphras wrote:
Please view the post immediately above yours. As per the SC2 comparison, yeah; I understand that. I'm speaking however of the whole "downloading patch" bit. 100,000 people downloading a 3.6MB file doesn't suddenly slow the entire DC to ****.
…and guess what, just like I didn't get the file request error you did, I also didn't get the slow speed you got. So there's not much to suggest that the entire download server was slow.
Isaphras
Ponies Love Napalm
#59 - 2012-10-16 13:56:49 UTC
13:56 server still down, still unable to patch.
CCP extends downtime to 14:05 ; fair enough.
*waits*
Crazy Nymphora
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-10-16 13:58:18 UTC
I'm also mad at their brainless nerf, but as a game developer I gotta say they've been doing a decent job on keeping this game going. As it's pretty complex, mistakes are more likely to happen (though again, their missile nerf is really, like, really ********).

Maybe you should try harder to calm down (I know you tried) and look forward to a better patch they might come up with. I was going to quit EVE too, but my friend said CCP usually fix their mistakes once after a while, maybe 6 years. So there is still hope.

Keep a smile on and try not to feed the trolls! :D