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As long as there are logistic ships, ECM should remain viable.
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Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#61 - 2012-10-17 04:27:24 UTC
I'm curious on what peoples thoughts are if they changed it to just break all current target locks if successful.

Shorten the activation time and ECM strength as appropriate.

Could have different levels (small med large etc) with higher strength but longer activation times. ie Large has a much higher chance of breaking locks but takes so long to reactivate that small ships have relocked and gotten a few shots in, while small is really unlikely to break the lock of a large ship, but fast enough against small ships to be useful.

Would be frustrating to have to relock all the time, but would mean smaller ships with faster lock times are able to counter ECM without too much difficulty and if the times were organised would likely mean larger ships might at least be able to direct their drones or get a volley off in between target lock breaks.

Could be a terrible idea, but I'm curious what people might think.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#62 - 2012-10-17 05:36:02 UTC
EVE's whole bloody combat-engine needs a from-point-zero reinvention.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Ni.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-10-17 14:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Fett
Marlona Sky wrote:
ECM is by far the absolute dumbest ******* game mechanic ever designed in the history of MMOs. And you can quote me on that.


I think I just may quote you on that, but I will take it further, ECM is the dumbest game mechanic designed in all of gaming history period, wither that be video game, table top, or CCG.
fr0gout
#64 - 2012-10-17 17:46:36 UTC
Elvis Fett wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
ECM is by far the absolute dumbest ******* game mechanic ever designed in the history of MMOs. And you can quote me on that.


I think I just may quote you on that, but I will take it further, ECM is the dumbest game mechanic designed in all of gaming history period, wither that be video game, table top, or CCG.


except you can just fit 4 damps and fof missiles on your zealot and its fine. deal with it
fr0gout
#65 - 2012-10-21 23:04:46 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
NURF TEH ZOMFGOPDRAE-- Oh, hey, wait a minute...Roll

Right, then:

Mods, please gas thread, thank you.

E:

But seriously now:

Aside from the "throw the dice" aspect --which I think is against a core concept of EVE, because random chance =/= validation of/reward for the time spent to train and/or specialise for max. skills at the cost of general versatility in the usual EVE manner-- ECM does not need much fixing, and certainly does not need nerfing. (Hasn't Caldari been nerfed enough for you ******* insufferable crybabies, yet?)

And there are counters:

Sensor dampeners (which, it is implied, may finally be un-nerfed soon-ish).
Target Painters (have you hugged your Target Painter today? Criminally under-appreciated module and E-War technique, IMHO).
Cap-neutralisers.
Alpha.
Drone Swarm (no, not just EC-300/-600s, either).

As well, you don't necessarily have to kill the logi, you just have to put it to flight or temporarily nullify its functionality, and ECM is not the only way to do it, especially given that the other E-War/Cap-war are not chance-based.


Most ECM pilots are too busy crying that "Warp to -50km, align to celestial, lock targets, Cycle F1-F6, warp if dude gets within 30km from you" is hard. How do you excpect them to use counters? Of course, counters are a complete viable and straw-man argument when it suits the ECM pilots. "fit f.o.f missiles on your deimos".
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#66 - 2012-10-21 23:29:31 UTC
STEP A: Introduce T2-destroyers that interdict RR

STEP B: NERFNERFNERF.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-10-21 23:53:09 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
ECM is by far the absolute dumbest ******* game mechanic ever designed in the history of MMOs. And you can quote me on that.


I've pressed the quote button on a few of your dumb posts, so I guess I can do it on this one too, but only because you asked.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#68 - 2012-10-22 02:31:02 UTC
Posting a stealth nerf ECM thread.

CCP, make a skill that boosts one's sensor strengths.

Make multiple ECM modules focused on one target stacking penalized. This would fix ECM drones.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#69 - 2012-10-22 04:09:57 UTC
fr0gout wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
NURF TEH ZOMFGOPDRAE-- Oh, hey, wait a minute...Roll

Right, then:

Mods, please gas thread, thank you.

E:

But seriously now:

Aside from the "throw the dice" aspect --which I think is against a core concept of EVE, because random chance =/= validation of/reward for the time spent to train and/or specialise for max. skills at the cost of general versatility in the usual EVE manner-- ECM does not need much fixing, and certainly does not need nerfing. (Hasn't Caldari been nerfed enough for you ******* insufferable crybabies, yet?)

And there are counters:

Sensor dampeners (which, it is implied, may finally be un-nerfed soon-ish).
Target Painters (have you hugged your Target Painter today? Criminally under-appreciated module and E-War technique, IMHO).
Cap-neutralisers.
Alpha.
Drone Swarm (no, not just EC-300/-600s, either).

As well, you don't necessarily have to kill the logi, you just have to put it to flight or temporarily nullify its functionality, and ECM is not the only way to do it, especially given that the other E-War/Cap-war are not chance-based.


Most ECM pilots are too busy crying that "Warp to -50km, align to celestial, lock targets, Cycle F1-F6, warp if dude gets within 30km from you" is hard. How do you excpect them to use counters? Of course, counters are a complete viable and straw-man argument when it suits the ECM pilots. "fit f.o.f missiles on your deimos".


Um:

Did you even read the thread?

It's an argument about ECM being the only effective counter to RR, which couldn't be further from the truth as shown in the post you quote, which has since degenerated into the usual nerf-ECM conclave of crybabies, and thence to a completely muddled mess of trolling and stupidity.

Please, do try to keep up!

Ni.