EVE General Discussion

You want it to be a higher percentage so you can make it seem like a massive nerf to all things Caldari. The fact of the matter is that it's not.

If you played the game rather than forum troll, it would have taken you less than a second to figure out that I'm talking about the Tengu, which does indeed come with a nifty set of hybrid bonuses. Hence, it counts as only half a missile ship. Again, the fact that it is very very rarely seen without HMLs should give you a hint about where the problem lies…

Good news: they're not. Not even close. They're balancing one weapon system so it is more in line with the capabilities of the equivalent system for other lines of weapons. In the process, two ships that have become extremely popular because they can really squeeze every last ounce out of this imbalance are being affected as well, and one (or more likely both) of those ships are also getting adjusted in the future to deal with their particular issues.

The supposed offender isn't a ship. It's one weapon system. That one weapon system is being brought back into balance. In addition, a couple of related weapon systems are getting a slew of very neat buffs, so any ship affected by this rebalancing is getting a net boost in capabilities.

Calling me a troll makes it easier to ignore an obvious fact...it's less a balance and more a slap in the face to Drake and Tengu pilots. But whatever, don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

Every weapons system in the game has checks and balances.
This nerf to HML is more to do with the tears they have caused vs them being out of line.

I am not sure if you people are just new or choose to have selective memories but once upon a time people where laughed at for being drake pilots as they used to be "the starter noob ship for running missions"
Now players have adjusted and made the ship a competitor in PVP.

So instead of adjusting your tactics like the Caldari pilots did you litter the forums with your tears and sorrows of the Drake blob and cry home to Mommy (CCP) about the big bad bully (Drakes) and how you want them to go away and be nerfed into oblivion.

Missiles for a very long time have been the underdog and in some cases they still are. Let us not forget this game is a "sandbox" and there is more to it then PVP. We have people who used these weapons systems in missions in ded complexes and in incursions.
So what happens to the pilots that have spent months perfecting the missile skills and Tengu / Drake skills?
are we just to move onto an other under powered under used missile weapons system like torps and cruise?
And spend an many other months training into those ships and weapons systems??

I do not see these forums being flooded with pilots who are claiming they are going to stay with Drake or Tengu after this nerf.
When a nerf is so large it forces people into other ships and weapons systems then at that point it is game breaking for those players.
If this nerf comes down me having to train into guns to compensate for this slap in the face to Caldari once again I know I am not alone here in saying I will not continue in eve with my 3 accounts, so that I / we can line the pockets of CCP while we have to spend months on end training into new systems / ships.

Flame me or what ever you feel you need to do to make your self feel better but I have not seen one post on these forums
or in this thread that has given a detailed example of how this will not destroy people who focus on the drake or tengu and how we are able to recover from this without months of training.

So you're saying CCP should do 100x more work just... because you want the game a certain way?

What? Are you not aware that when the Myrm first hit tranquility it did have a 125 bandwidth and was immediately nerfed. At warp speed, and overdone, all the way down from 125 bandwidth to 75, that of a vexor. Meanwhile the Drake and it's HMs proceeded to dominate the pve and later pvp usage in the game for years.

And all that the Harby needs is more cpu and cap efficiency? To do what? compete with drakes in pve and pvp? I don't see that "fix" doing anything to make the Harby capable of level 4s and other top end pve. And for pvp how is that Harby going to fit heavy beams for range, do the same damage at that range as a drake, and have the same tank of a drake with the same mobility to form cheap blob fleets, or even be used in small gangs as preferencially for its range and tank?

What really needs to be done is what CCP is finally doing. It's trimming the op weapons system that the HMs are in their class of weapon. It's buffing up tech I frigates and cruisers to make them relavant and not just noobships to be trashed or ignored after a couple weeks. Tier 2 and 3 BCs will likely be (are already in the case of the cane) getting a nerf. Tier 1 BCs possibly a buff up to whatever the level the tier 2s are settled at.

Then will come BSs, and tech II ships. It is a long process. To react simply with complaint at the HM nerf is just reflexive whining by people who have ever only needed two ships, drake and tengu, and one weapon system HML to do just about everything in the game for pve and pvp. That will be ending. Long overdue.

So what's this I'm hearing that all BCs have to be equally capable of all roles?