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Encourageing Players To Enjoy More Risk
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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#121 - 2012-10-16 18:29:16 UTC
I will sit in a station tonight. Counting ISK. Cool

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#122 - 2012-10-16 18:30:38 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I will sit in a station tonight. Counting ISK. Cool


I will get my Maelstrom blown up tonight (hopefully) and probably podded. Smile

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2012-10-16 18:32:36 UTC
Zagdul for CSM8?

\o/

FC, what do?
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-10-16 18:34:52 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I will sit in a station tonight. Counting ISK. Cool


I will get my Maelstrom blown up tonight (hopefully) and probably podded. Smile


Ohh space masochists Shocked Want to be spanked too? P
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#125 - 2012-10-16 20:08:38 UTC
S'Way wrote:
The problem with making meta 4 items 0.0 exclusive is that the items would then be region specific to the rat type - that runs a risk of someone ending up with a nice monopoly outcome. Removing meta 4 from high-sec, fair enough as it's that rare now it's not a big loss for most - but they shouldn't be removed from low-sec. After FW gets nerfed low-sec won't be as profitable (and anyone thinking 0.0 is more risky has never spent long around amamake etc).

The new dust tie-in might be a way for CCP to boost 0.0 income somehow (the 0.0 planets are already a nice passive income for the few who bother with the clicking). After seeing the topic about what team avatar is working on with EVA gameplay there's possibilities in that which could be used.
Then again if 0.0 space was uniformly balanced in quality and resources - what incentive is left for conflicts over resources, look at how blue lists have grown to huge sizes since systems could be upgraded, no need to go to war for better space when you can take the easy route and drop i-hubs.

Really adding more isk to the system runs a risk of inflation, it's more a need of rebalancing where the isk is generated that's needed - high-sec ores are now worth more than bistot / crokite etc. One place they could start is by looking into what basic rat items reprocess into, change it so you need to get zydrine / megacyte from low / 0.0 instead of from lvl 4 loot (make it reprocess into the same minerals as you get from mining high-sec belts).
Combine that with removing those huge spod roids from 0.0 grav belts so miners don't have to mine it out to get a respawn of decent ore would increase their income too.


I just bought 1000 Meta 4, X-Large C-5L Emergency Shield Overload boosters, at below reproc in Jita. They are neither rare or overly valuable. Looking at them from a realistic perspective I picked up 50K cheap Zydrine. Unless EVE vets start making low SP Alts to run expendables fleets, they simply aren't a factor any more. Meta 4 is dead.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#126 - 2012-10-16 20:11:18 UTC
There is one key point you are missing - most EVE players are casual players - and you can't live in null as a casual player. I know, I've tried it.

3 different comms channels (Mumble, TS, Vent), CTA's (and then sitting in a station for two hours doing nothing)...so how are you going to maximise your reward with all that crap going on?
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-10-16 23:07:04 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I will sit in a station tonight. Counting ISK. Cool


I will get my Maelstrom blown up tonight (hopefully) and probably podded. Smile


Ohh space masochists Shocked Want to be spanked too? P


EvE online S&M edition....

Yes, ma'am. Thank you ma'am.

May I please have another?

*shield alarm*

Yes, ma'am. Thank you ma'am.

May I please have another?

*armor alarm*

Yes ma'am. Thank you ma'am

May I please have another?

*pod*
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#128 - 2012-10-16 23:33:39 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Nerf highsec PvE into the ground tbh. Smile

This will not change anything. Idiots will simply quit and search for another game
where they can get their worthless satisfaction.



Again I have agree with the pirate Shocked

0.0 has the most income in all of EVE, but the hardest logistics.

Low Sec: is a playground for the ruthless players of EVE Twisted

High Sec: where people live, make cash, and less logistics to deal with (minus the trips to Jita Roll)

Been that way for almost 10 years guys and gals... CCP changing this would shatter what EVE's foundation IMHO.
Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2012-10-16 23:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Arnst
Solstice Project wrote:

Have you considered all those people who are actually running lvl5s in lowsec ?
Why do they do it ? How comes they do it, but the others don't ?
The answer is:

They do it, because they aren't COWARDS !
They do it, because they love the risk and hope for rewards !
They do it, because they know how to watch out for themselves !

All the other guys, highly probably including you,
simply do not want to risk their ships,
simply don't want to put any effort into it,
but want to gain the rewards anyway !

(anybody who thinks about miners now ... bingo !)

How about you don't make me wanna kick your candy ass, thank you very much !


It's funny how u keep from telling the actually reason.....

They do it...cause they have 50 of their girlfriends watching their back....because they are COWARDS(how ironic)

U can avoid saying it all u want, but the Truth is always there...

Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t? Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change ccp supports the degradation of society

Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2012-10-16 23:53:24 UTC
If the World was full of ppl like u, there would have never been any ppl like Einstien, and instead the World would be full of groups of apes pounding on one small chimp.

Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t? Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change ccp supports the degradation of society

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-10-17 12:01:00 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
eve is all about skill and extreme smart thinking to kill stuff at gates.

It is when you're the victim. Have you ever tried fitting a ship for the sole purpose of falling prey to a gatecamp? With a little planning and careful manipulation of aggression mechanics, you can create some surprising results. You might even have fun. Maybe you should try it. It might change your perspective on things.



Like passing by on and on on bubbled gates with tacklers sebo'd/remote links?

Yes, I did, yes I got Killed some times and yes I can pass those almost 99% of the time. I do it because I understood what happens over there if those camping the gate know exactly how to set a pos kissing boost alt+link tacklers (prob with implants too). Doesn't mean I never die over those and it's always because of over confidence in my skills or because I was just too lazy to check some stuff.

Question is, what's the point doing it? -pass on and on, just to say "hey you fail" ?
Actually thought this game was populated with mature people, not 8 YO neurotic kids.

How much does this encourages someone to return back to low/null? -it doesn't.

How much skill do you need to do this? -none, just know how targeting/tackling works throw boosting alts on POS or just OG and easy kill everything that isn't a cloacky/stab/nulli Loki.

Awesome gaming, indeed. Lol

brb
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#132 - 2012-10-17 12:06:25 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Question is, what's the point doing it?

The point is to learn to enjoy PvP. To take a ship specifically designed to take on a gate camp. Play games with them, use the gate guns, use aggression to split their group up. You might even destroy a couple of ships, you might not. It doesn't matter, the point is that you are learning to enjoy EvE.

Oh god.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#133 - 2012-10-17 12:08:21 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Zagdul for CSM8?

\o/


Would be an excellent candidate.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-10-17 12:13:38 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Oups, I thought gate camping was like graveyard camping but seems it's not the same thing.
In one you camp graveyards and kill everything spawning, in the other you kill everything passing the gate.

You're right it's so dam different, how could I even remotely think gate camping is a very skilled game play where you need dps, tacklers, healers and buffs.
Crap missed again, it's wow graveyards who need all this brainless stuff. eve is all about skill and extreme smart thinking to kill stuff at gates.

Not all gates are camped 23/7 - that's just pants-on-head stupid talk. Go out of Jita to the nearest gate, yeah, that's going to be camped.

There is more than one way into Null (Pro-Tip: Wormholes).


Indeed and that was not even implied in my comment. It's not even implied in your comment that the usual gate camps are set and the end or beginning of some route you can't avoid if you don't want to make a several to dozen systems detour, witch indeed makes sense to say not all gates are camp, but those you can't avoid or hardly do might not be camp 24/7 but about 23/6? Lol

brb
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-10-17 16:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Riot Girl wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Question is, what's the point doing it?

The point is to learn to enjoy PvP. To take a ship specifically designed to take on a gate camp. Play games with them, use the gate guns, use aggression to split their group up. You might even destroy a couple of ships, you might not. It doesn't matter, the point is that you are learning to enjoy EvE.

some people think that Eve is only PVP (read: playing with other people how other people want you to play) Shocked
do you really want to waste your time doing it?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
#136 - 2012-10-17 16:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Theresa Lamont
All I see is:

"CCP, our war with DOTBROs is costing us an arm and a leg...we need moar ISKs"
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#137 - 2012-10-17 16:30:37 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
some people think that Eve is only PVP (read: playing with other people how other people want you to play) Shocked
do you really want to waste your time doing it?


There is absolutely nothing forcing people to play how other people tell them to play. You can do whatever you want, whenever you want.

Oh god.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2012-10-18 01:12:08 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
FeralShadow wrote:
These isk/hr optimizing carebears only care about one thing: how much can they make? They're driven by greed.

Exactly.

And they won't move to lowsec just because there's more money to be made down there,
because there's also a high chance of loosing ! They don't care about the money,
they care about satisfaction ! Lowsec, for a carebear, does not relate to that !

CCP will simply continue nerfing highsec, while at the same time making it more secure ...
... and it will change exactly NOTHING, except pissing off even more people than before !


Hey, in regards to that, how about this:

To bring more people to lowsec, encourage all the pirates to instead move to highsec. %)

It's at least as "smart" as any of these "throw more money at it" ideas,
but this at least hasn't been proven wrong time and time again ..................


Even thou eve is largely based on pvp Solvtice you forget some people dont what to pvp they like mining and builting stuff there way not playing like you.

Get over yourself your play style is not everyone's play style we all pay to play in one form or another and just like in the real world what you like is not what other like to do. So give off your high horse and stop thinking " you doing it wrong play like me"

WE all stated in high sec and yes right now i do play in high sec and i have been in low and 0.0 truth be told i dont like low or 0.0 not my play style i like to do what i like when i like unless i get war dec and then well my play style has to change for the simple fact even in high sec people like to make you play there game.

You want more targets you know how the game works.

Untill then STFU about trying to make people go into low sec or 0.0. IF someone tryed makeing you do something in the rw you kick them in the face and in eve we kind can do the same thing with ganking and War Dec. now get over yourself and move on.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#139 - 2012-10-18 01:23:39 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
highonpop wrote:
Zagdul for CSM8?

\o/


Would be an excellent candidate.

You don't know Zagdul do you?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#140 - 2012-10-18 01:32:16 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
highonpop wrote:
Zagdul for CSM8?

\o/


Would be an excellent candidate.

You don't know Zagdul do you?


I like Zagdul :colbert:

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