EVE General Discussion

Bullshit. The system i lived in in lowsec was medium populated with actual resident pirates
and STILL people came to run missions !

You must be one of exactly these above mentioned cowards, simply not realizing that you are indeed a coward !

Meta-4 loot is so rare most mission runners won't notice its disappearance for weeks.

Because you know all of lowsec.

*rollseyes*

I give up. Can't teach the stupid.

NERRF HIH-SECD BECAUSE TOOEASY!!!

We can all agree that the risk:reward ratio is WAY off.

Solution:

INCREASE the rewards in low/nullsec to bring the ratio back into balance with high sec for EVERYONE not just FW.

Don't remove anything from high sec. Just boost low/null. Prices may skyrocket but everybody will have more money. It's the only way to get people out of highsec (Make low/null so profitable that highsec seems like they're farming beans next to it).

These isk/hr optimizing carebears only care about one thing: how much can they make? They're driven by greed.

LOL is it can be easy or hard its all how you play. But its up to the players were they play and if ccp keep nerfing high sec the game will fail and all you low sec and 0.0 people will lose everthing you worked to build if the game closes.

high sec, low sec , and 0.0 are tied in one way the other. Were do most of the are min's go high sec why is that because people in high buy it along with your officer or deadspace mods without people in high sec with the wallets to buy the stuff out of low or 0.0 space they would be worthless and no point of playing in at all.

Have a clue were all the money "other then plex's" come from its people doing the missions and kill the rats or FW and other ways to get the bountys off the heads of npcs. Without the high sec trade huds "like Jita,Rens,Hek,Dodixe,Amarr" were it safer to sell your good and were its mostly safe to pick up said goods all trade would drop by more then 80% and more to the point there would be no Isk movement to fill the pilots of eve pockets. Have a clue what your talking about before make Silly ideas that would kill the game.

So what changed?

When I flew with FA and Test, every second ship was a pimped Tengu. In semi-lazy mode could pull 40-50m an hour just on anoms. A lot of guys even used carriers, including me, set up small ratting fleets and offered fighters to the Tengus for even quicker cash.

I do know that a lot of guys wouldnt rat because of the alliance demand to be in a defense fleet and cloakies used to sit on the anoms collecting bounties. I think this got fixed?

And for me it was never about how much I made but because there was never any leadership at alliance level to setup and maintain a proper defense fleet to allow the guys to mine/rat etc. Smaller corps just could not do it alone.

In many cases, if guys bubbled inbound gates to buy some run time, everybody bitched and whined or shot them out.

When alliances or the largest of corps make a concerted effort to field a defense fleet - with a proper defense strategy - more guys just might find 0.0 profitable again instead of being locked up half the day on a safe or station.

i actually think that nullsec is pretty good income wise for the average player

highsec is way to good

BS. Not gonna speak for Incursions, never done them but to compare L4's to 0.0 anoms would suggest you were trying to do them in a destroyer.

L4's used to net me roughly 20m/hr with LP's and salvage.

I easily did 40-50m on anoms without salvaging. If I got serious and multiboxed I easily doubled it.

Throw in Commander and 10/10 drops and it buffed the isk bigtime. (750m blueprint drops - find me an L4 mission drop that does that!)

Ratting in 0.0 is very rich, but there are problems:-

- lack of direction in forming proper defense fleets to give the guys some focused ratting time
- fleet leeches
- lack of etiquette/knowledge/direction for belt chaining etc. (try chaining for 2 hours and have some pratt come pop the lot - grrrrr)
- without raising the ugly spectre, AFK cloakies (a perpetual argument) - had you tied up on safes or docked half the time.

And when we talk about risk aversion - who is at fault? When a guy loses a decent boat by taking "risks" he gets balled out or turfed out because it hurts the killboard.

- alliance rules about using caps for ratting because it hurts the alliance KILLBOARD.
- "hey, so-and-so got balled out because he lost a pimped Tengu" << hurts the alliance KILLBOARD.


I could go on but it's NOT the value of the ratting in 0.0, it's about how it's able to be used.

I was pulling about 60M/hr in a T1 fit drake, simply ratting in belts in nullsec. CCP doesn't want to introduce new ISK faucets without similar sinks.

Nullsec already has valuable resources such as Arkonor. You'll notice that the more you exploit resources, the less valuable they become. Due to exploitation of these resources, all ores are pretty much worth the same ISK/hr now (well, except Omber and Spodumain). So simply pumping more resources into nullsec will not increase nullbear incomes.

One option is to take industry out of NPC hands and put it in player hands. NPCs could charge taxes in NPC-controlled regions, for example increasing the cost of anchoring a POS in hisec, while corporations & alliances would be responsible for taxes in nullsec. The POS revamp would be an ideal opportunity for this kind of thing: reduce the number of research & manufacture lines available from NPCs, reduce the quality of NPC refineries, and boost the abilities of player-owned refineries (perhaps only allowing the more efficient refineries to be anchored in non-hisec).

Thus CCP could tip the balance of industry to ensure that, while safe ISK incomes from L4 missions and PLEX speculation are untouched, industrialists will be encouraged to move to low/null to make the greater profits. To be sure, CCP could allow player-operated star bases to have market facilities, then start ramping up the taxes on NPC market facilities so even perfect skilled and perfect standings traders will be paying taxes in NPC facilities. Imagine how much profit the corp/alliance would be pulling in if they got to charge 1% tax on every transaction in a market hub like Jita?

Which brings up the issue of nullbear attitudes towards industrialists. With a fields & farms approach to industry, nullbears are going to have to start protecting their industrialist cash cows rather than treating them with scorn and using industrialists as a source of cheap laughs (hey! we'll rent you this space in null sec, and we'll escort your fleet of freighters and jump freighters all the way there! just pay 10B up front for the first six month's rental and infrastructure setup)

Whining that ratting income is too low in null sec is not going to achieve anything. Ratting income has been nerfed because a great number of nullbears have been far too good at getting the highest possible ISK/hr out of nullsec ratting. CCP has to find other ways of helping you make ISK.