EVE General Discussion

The reality is, many null sec alliances have to charge corporation fees in order to remain members of an alliance so that the alliance can provide services such as ship reimbursement.

Not too long ago, my alliance was pretty broke. We were getting by and didn't have very much at all. I charged corporations 5 million isk per head in their corps so that we had an income to support our ship reimbursement and in order to pay sovereignty bills.

As it stands, our space costs us about 18 billion isk a month to run.

Our alliance level income towers cost 50 billion isk a month in fuel to maintain. This includes our jump bridges and other logistical towers such as staging and similar.

Our Ship Replacement Program fluctuates between 60-120 billion isk a month to run.

My alliance is pretty active in PVP however and we enjoy blowing up ships... many of them ours so the SRP number might be skewed better for alliances who aren't as bad as we are at actually flying ships.

The point is, alliances trying to maintain that level of income on a monthly basis without high level moons and still provide services for their members is draining. And if you're always at war, the ability to trickle down income to members becomes even more of a challenge.

This is why I am proposing ways for the common member to get more from the space itself so that they would be more self sufficient.

I'm actually for everything that keeps prices high. ^_^



First of all ... i'm not trolling. Just because you don't know better and somebody corrects you,
doesn't mean he's trolling.

Second ... i say it again. One more time:
CCP has tried already. Throwing money at it doesn't change it. If you don't get your head around the fact
that it's not money that keeps people out of lowsec, then please stick to your opinion how much you want !
It does not change the fact of the matter !

Now to your idea of making mission pockets safe. This has never ever happened in this game and i would
be confused if CCP ever did this, because it ruins the sandbox. There are NO instances, hence missions
will always be in open space, reachable by everyone !

Is it too hard for you to accept that most people simply are cowards in a videogame ?
Are you incapable of seeing the obvious ? That people don't want to fight/risk their ships ?

That the chance of getting killed before ending/reaching the mission is much higher
than the chance of actually finishing it ?

Have you considered all those people who are actually running lvl5s in lowsec ?
Why do they do it ? How comes they do it, but the others don't ?
The answer is:

They do it, because they aren't COWARDS !
They do it, because they love the risk and hope for rewards !
They do it, because they know how to watch out for themselves !

All the other guys, highly probably including you,
simply do not want to risk their ships,
simply don't want to put any effort into it,
but want to gain the rewards anyway !

(anybody who thinks about miners now ... bingo !)

How about you don't make me wanna kick your candy ass, thank you very much !

I've always heard how amazing null sec anoms were when I was a highsec bear. After dual boxing them in tengus myself, it turns out they aren't that amazing and I make much more doing lvl 4s with 1 character.

Granted, anom payout is very direct and simple, and what makes doing lvl 4s profitable (200m+/hr) involves more work, such as playing the market, trading, doing conversions etc and a pimped ship and faction standings to blitz (basically things other than actually doing the missions). However, the risk involved in HS is downright laughable compared to 0.0.

I think the risk vs reward is what this is about, null anoms just are not worth the risk compared to other income sources.

Moving into low/null isn't about how much you can gain, but about how much you can afford to lose.

If a high-sec player is flying a ship worth 50m and has worked hard for 3 days to acquire another 50m for their wallet, they aren't likely to risk losing their ship in low/null.

If a player is flying a ship worth 50m and has 500m in their wallet, they are far more likely to risk losing their ship for the greater reward. Giving players good rewards in high-sec actually encourages them to move into riskier parts of space. It also helps if they have other players encouraging them to move into null-sec. If null sec players want to complain about high sec players and carebears, perhaps they could do something about it by welcoming them into null sec instead of expecting them to fly solo into a hellish gank-fest that many new players perceive null-suc to be.

Not sure how you can make 200M isk per hour running missions solo in high-sec, but good for you.

My biggest problem with anomalies in null is their lack of commonality.

There should be enough sites of each type to support a fair number of players.

As it is, a small number consistently battle over who gets to solo like two to four anomalies in most "PVE" null systems.

It doesn't take many people at all for them to "fill up."

no

your asking for 100% safe pve
this is against everything Eve is built around.

please don't make a similar request to this in the future again.
It has been bad enough reading it this time.

This is pretty much it. It's a common misconception that isk is just oozing out of null sec when in reality- sanctums, havens, anomalies are pretty much on par with L4's or Incursions.

Except the L4 and Incursion can be farmed repeatedly for hours on end without highly skilled roving gangs trying to kill you several times an hour, or downright camping systems with afk cloaky dudes.

For anyone who has tasted the ease and luxury of high sec income why would they ever want to exchange that for mediocre income with a drastic rise in risk?

I don't get why someone always has to chime in with the "You can't *FORCE* me into null! Therefore don't fix the game, tia." argument in these types of threads.

:cripes: No one can force you to move into null, low, or anywhere else. Get over yourself, this is about the game as a whole and better risk/reward, not dictating your individual choices.

You are like 6 month old into the game... Else you post with sh*** alt.

If people come into low sec for some reason - there is still people in low sec. No matter how safe they are when missioning. They have to dock and complete mission and change fittings at some point! This is where interaction is possible.

You can also make probing improbable but 0,0001 % likely.

Solstice Project - your argument lacks content. A wall of emotions.

People do lvl 5s not because they are brave, but because they effectively eliminated competition, and thus locked down mission hub for themselves. Population will not come!!!

for most new players

Losec and Nul are full of risk and offer zero reward.
Hisec offers some risk and a decent reward.

where they chose to play is hardly rocket science.