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Gallente Ice Interdiction Resumes

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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-10-15 20:20:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
83, 447 EHP Skiff mining 30 Ice an hr says you might want to just enjoy the cheap fuel.

They didnt tank their barges for 8 months. What makes think they would give up their ma efficienty ships now?


Back to the cheap fuel.

Crime watch is on the way. A high Sec POS to annoy the locals would be a lot easier with 400 ISK topes but you insist on this?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#82 - 2012-10-15 20:47:59 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good.

/me takes note of collusion between Goons and NC.

Is this a SAVE Highsec CTA?

Is Nulli coming?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-10-15 21:23:09 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!




Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.



There's more stupidity to collect than rewards. Choose your pick Lol

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-10-15 21:27:42 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Just pointing out. They still dont tank their ships.

What I heard, they don't need to. CCP did it for them.


You heard or read Baltec Zim and Darth too?

But seems they can still gank ships. It's good news for them, bad for idiots.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-10-15 21:30:53 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good.

/me takes note of collusion between Goons and NC.

Is this a SAVE Highsec CTA?

Is Nulli coming?



Both now about each other alt high sec mining/industrial/mission/trading/hauling corporations. So at some point yes, it's high sec CTA witch is hilarious and gets even better when you think about crimewatch and kill rights, this is just HILARIOUS Lol

brb
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#86 - 2012-10-15 22:53:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

This.

After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.


Whoever said anythng about making a profit?



A profit might be possible. Consider this:

gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?

So it might have been lucrative to just gank the miners and have a stockpile of the targeted resource already at hand, and then sell it at a higher price. The cost of ganking now might offset that, but the hull buff may have now required that the gankers harvest the resources themselves.

This is my theory or assumption. They might just be trying to see if it's possible.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#87 - 2012-10-15 23:00:06 UTC

I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......

Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them....
Becka Goldbeck
#88 - 2012-10-15 23:01:19 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......

Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them....


Oh, so we can just go around placing arbitrary bounties on everyone for free?

Neat.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#89 - 2012-10-15 23:02:05 UTC
Becka Goldbeck wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......

Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them....


Oh, so we can just go around placing arbitrary bounties on everyone for free?

Neat.

tbh most exhumer pilots deserve it.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-10-15 23:11:27 UTC
all building up to the CFC mass ice mining cta
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#91 - 2012-10-15 23:20:29 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

This.

After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.


Whoever said anythng about making a profit?



A profit might be possible. Consider this:

gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?

So it might have been lucrative to just gank the miners and have a stockpile of the targeted resource already at hand, and then sell it at a higher price. The cost of ganking now might offset that, but the hull buff may have now required that the gankers harvest the resources themselves.

This is my theory or assumption. They might just be trying to see if it's possible.


Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0

Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#92 - 2012-10-15 23:32:39 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0

Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.


Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Selinate
#93 - 2012-10-15 23:48:28 UTC
Whether you're correct or not, the price in Jita is moving up at a noticeable rate.

I'll take the bet on you, OP.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-10-15 23:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#95 - 2012-10-16 00:40:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0

Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.


Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

I'll argue this till the cows come home. There is no REAL cost to aquisition in a VR environment except time. Only a-retents pouring over little squares in a maths app think there is.

If you intend to calculate time in the aquisition then there are far more profitable ways to make isk and I've hammered this home a million times.

Gankers need to gank for fun and stop using any economic argument to justify it. Period.

PS: Besides, you're talking about mineral value at sale. Nothing actually has value until it is for sale. File that one in your economics folder under R for reality.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#96 - 2012-10-16 00:44:06 UTC
I shall refer you to the phenomenon known as opportunity cost

The value of the minerals you mine is not only determined by how much someone is willing to pay for them but by what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them.

Tippia or Akita_T can explain it a lot better than I can

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#97 - 2012-10-16 00:44:49 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

Seriously, they called you a *&^%$# coward because you flew away in your MINING VESSEL as they came to hit you with 9, read NINE battlecruisers?

YOU'RE a coward?

ROFLMAO... I'm laughing so hard I'm crying....

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#98 - 2012-10-16 00:48:58 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0

Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.


Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

I'll argue this till the cows come home. There is no REAL cost to aquisition in a VR environment except time. Only a-retents pouring over little squares in a maths app think there is.

If you intend to calculate time in the aquisition then there are far more profitable ways to make isk and I've hammered this home a million times.

Gankers need to gank for fun and stop using any economic argument to justify it. Period.

PS: Besides, you're talking about mineral value at sale. Nothing actually has value until it is for sale. File that one in your economics folder under R for reality.


Bolded part not true.

That is where theft and stealing come into play. You don't have it for sale, too bad, someone steals it since they know it still has value. Doesn't matter if its for sale or not.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#99 - 2012-10-16 00:50:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I shall refer you to the phenomenon known as opportunity cost

The value of the minerals you mine is not only determined by how much someone is willing to pay for them but by what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them.

Tippia or Akita_T can explain it a lot better than I can

If they were to apply RL economics, ofc they can. So too could I.

And if I were to do so, I'd tell you to get a job, earn $45 in an hour, buy yourself 3 plex and make 1.8b IN ONE HOUR.

Any RL economic argument that wants to play "VR time as a cost" needs to include an RL equivalent which completely squashes ANY need to even play for isk at all.

>>>>> "what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them"

Exactly what I'm saying.

Ganking should NOT be done nor can it be argued as requiring profit as the motivation. There is no need. Ever.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-10-16 00:56:45 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

Seriously, they called you a *&^%$# coward because you flew away in your MINING VESSEL as they came to hit you with 9, read NINE battlecruisers?

YOU'RE a coward?

ROFLMAO... I'm laughing so hard I'm crying....

Well, it is no real surprise. Most of these null gankers are pimply faced preteens trying to be relevant on the internet. So when they don't get their way, acting like a big tough guy on the internet is all they have. Last time I checked tough guys don't cry, so these gankers need to do a bit more research on what it takes to be one.