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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2012-10-19 06:11:51 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
lolz. just lolz.

Faction is usually == T2 so errr... why would they?

I used to fly with a faction booster for cap stability for naughty rats in lowsec? Would that help?

Maybe the Harvester drones I use to have?

The T2 rigs I used to fit?

No?

Maybe we just need gankers to realise that miners don't actually care and then we can move on a bit from this garbage.
And you had the nerve to call me illiterate?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#222 - 2012-10-19 06:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Maybe we just need gankers to realise that miners don't actually care and then we can move on a bit from this garbage.
And you had the nerve to call me illiterate?


My English was true,
My heart was so pure,
Of the things that I said,
I am definitely sure.

Poetic is here,
Once again so I see,
Trying to do a Tippia,
On lil' ol'me.

But you're 2 paragraphs short,
And a touch out of line,
Tippia you're not,
It's just a Poetic whine.

Is it Stanziel for Stanza,
Or Stanziel for Zeal,
The words that you speak,
Sorry, none of it's real.

(c) TL 2012

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2012-10-19 06:45:06 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Maybe we just need gankers to realise that miners don't actually care and then we can move on a bit from this garbage.
And you had the nerve to call me illiterate?


My English was true,
My heart was so pure,
Of the things that I said,
I am definitely sure.

Poetic is here,
Once again so I see,
Trying to do a Tippia,
On lil' ol'me.

But you're 2 paragraphs short,
And a touch out of line,
Tippia you're not,
It's just a Poetic whine.

Is it Stanziel for Stanza,
Or Stanziel for Zeal,
The words that you speak,
Sorry, none of it's real.

(c) TL 2012



Bravo. :slowclap:

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#224 - 2012-10-19 09:15:10 UTC
As I said in the other thread before permalock: This is going to make wormhole life irritating, though, truthfully, only for those of us who live in the lower class holes.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2012-10-19 09:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
As I said in the other thread before permalock: This is going to make wormhole life irritating, though, truthfully, only for those of us who live in the lower class holes.
AFK miners will fill your holes?

Actually, won't that be good? Lots of butt mad miners.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2012-10-19 09:49:38 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
AFK miners will fill your holes?

The way you're wording that makes my tummy feel bad. :(
Marcus Alkhaar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-10-19 10:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar
I just wanted to eft-warrior how tanky a skiff can get.... here's my result

[Skiff, skiff]
Internal Force Field Array I
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


+5% shield hp implant (name: SM-705)

squad commander
130k ehp / 160k ehp

Tengu boost on
158k ehp / 191k ehp


if u place a rokh-alt(250k ehp) with 8x shield transfers next to the skiff fleet, any of them can recieve an instant 8,4k burst tank (3k shield per cycle). This makes catalysts pretty much useless at ganking skiffs.

If u use alpha tornadoes with 14k per volley you'll need 12 of them to 1-voley this skiff (160k ehp). thats equilant to (85 mill isk x 12 =) 1020 mill isk worth of suicideships.
In all fairness, I wouldnt call this bad odds for the miners.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#228 - 2012-10-19 11:10:08 UTC
Seeing lots more Skiffs and Procs in the ice belts now.

They are learning..:)

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#229 - 2012-10-19 12:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).


But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.


We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ryhss
#230 - 2012-10-19 12:55:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
NOT POSSIBLE!!!

Ganking CAN'T be done in Eve anymore.

Mackinaws are INVULNERABLE.

ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked


Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do.

I think you missed the humor/sarcasm of this post....

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2012-10-19 14:16:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).


But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.


We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve.



So how's that tower of yours doing these days? Better than the mackinaws we've shot, I hope.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2012-10-19 14:20:50 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


They did nothing to protect themselves.


No time to. The mouse cannot avoid the owl.

edit: By your reasoning, the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 were all dumb for not 'protecting themselves'.



I apologize, I'm severely sleep deprived and missed this earlier. Did you compare shooting mining barges in an internet spaceship videogame to a nuclear attack on a civilian target?
Josef Djugashvilis
#233 - 2012-10-19 14:22:10 UTC
When miners were easy to kill, it was their fault for not tanking.

Now CCP have made it easier for miners to survive a gank, it is the fault of miners for being too hard to gank.

This is not a signature.
Jacob Kelbrand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2012-10-19 14:28:13 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).


But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.


We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve.


The entitlement is strong with this one.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2012-10-19 14:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Marksalot
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
When miners were easy to kill, it was their fault for not tanking.

Now CCP have made it easier for miners to survive a gank, it is the fault of miners for being too hard to gank.


I think the whole point of this exercise is that they're still gankable, and still dumb as hell. I hope this assessment of the current internet spaceship situation helps.


e: what were you even trying to say in your post anyways


i mean honestly
Killiana Lett
Birds Aren't People
#236 - 2012-10-19 14:32:49 UTC
Clearly the solution is making highsec ice vastly smaller rocks that don't replenish nearly as fast.
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#237 - 2012-10-19 14:34:20 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Maybe we just need gankers to realise that miners don't actually care and then we can move on a bit from this garbage.
And you had the nerve to call me illiterate?


My English was true,
My heart was so pure,
Of the things that I said,
I am definitely sure.

Poetic is here,
Once again so I see,
Trying to do a Tippia,
On lil' ol'me.

But you're 2 paragraphs short,
And a touch out of line,
Tippia you're not,
It's just a Poetic whine.

Is it Stanziel for Stanza,
Or Stanziel for Zeal,
The words that you speak,
Sorry, none of it's real.

(c) TL 2012


This is why poetry has a bad name.
Muffini
#238 - 2012-10-19 14:36:20 UTC
Killiana Lett wrote:
Clearly the solution is making highsec ice vastly smaller rocks that don't replenish nearly as fast.


NERF ICE CCP THESE MINERS ARE LAUGHING AT US
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#239 - 2012-10-19 14:36:23 UTC
TL;DR version of your post

Poetic Stanziel wrote:


I've gone on a couple of rants lately, bitching about ..... CCP to make highsec a safer place for carebears. .... I certainly took this notion at face value.

It took Goonswarm to prove [I was] wrong
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#240 - 2012-10-19 14:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).


But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.


We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve.

Quite one-sided, no?

The reason why miners got buffed, according to CCP,
is because ganking them never was meant to be profitable.

Smells like fallacy to me, because people did it FOR YEARS
without ANY indication that CCP had a problem with it.

Anyway... the reason why the miningshipbuff has a bad taste attached to it,
is simply because CCP kicked Darwin out of the equation.


The false belief of highsec being safe enough to ...
... autopilot a pod worth hundred of millions ...
... undock in a kestrel carrying 75 PLEX ...
... loudmouth in space ...
... not tank an afk ship in space ... (hello, miner)
... etc ...
... will get you punished, because you fail to adapt to your environment.
Or you simply ignore it.


What CCP did is simply helping those who failed to adapt, instead of punishing them.
I am sure i need to remind you that miners who tanked their ships and paid attention rarely got ganked ...

... oh my, i wonder why ...........