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How Do We, The Noobs Get In???

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Zero Audier
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2012-11-07 01:07:42 UTC
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide#Links

Scroll all the way down. Click "Vol 1" under "English Version".

Or

http://www.eonmagazine.co.uk/isk-volume-1-24.html

If you have a spare $35.00
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#142 - 2012-11-07 01:27:41 UTC
Athena Themis wrote:
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players.



Where in my post did I ask for instant satisfaction?

"Weed out"???

Feel like one of the "Cool Kids" now huh?

"Take THAT you jocks and cheerleaders from High School!!!"


Have sex dude.

Why in God's name would someone WANT people to be excluded in an MMORPG??? Wouldn't you WANT new players to be able to learn more efficiently (which is all I asked for)?

If not for us, who are you going to shoot at? Sell to? Pirate? (I'm seeing countless threads of exp folks complaining about how empty nullsec is). Don't you want to ATTRACT more people??? I just don't get this "I only want 10-20 special snowflakes like me to play this game" mentality.



It isn't about wanting people to be exluded. The point is you're complaining about the difficulty you're having learning the game and yet you are unwilling to read, ask questions in the proper forums, or put any effort into learning these things yourself. Basically you want it to be handed to you. That is a laugh.

What university did you get into, whose application process was less intensive than EVE Uni? Was it a good one?



Have you ever applied to E-Uni? I can tell you, it's only worse now than when I joined over a year ago. That took nearly 2 months and multiple psych assessments and security checks.

University is far easier to get in to, provided you can pass the entrance exam for what you're interested in. Wait.. I live in Canada; not talking about Yale or Harvard here. Those schools only really have one entrance requirement anyway: money. j/k but actually somewhat true if you don't have all honors and a scholarship.

Here, we don't limit Universities to absurdly low numbers of seats with massive population bases, but instead, build more Universities so there is enough room for the majority of available applicants.

P.S. I smell an Alt in the OP. Could be wrong, but just saying.
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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#143 - 2012-11-07 02:14:12 UTC
Sadly the game does lose quite a few people who try it out. Mainly because it throws guppies into a tank filled with sharks and tells them to swim.

The tutorial has been improved. I vaguely remember how it used to be with my old account but I do remember the new one with this account.

You OP and the many others that try this game and leave was who I had in mind when thinking of the following...

EVE Redesigned

The name is a bit over-the-top because all that is really suggested is a 3 or 4 month story line for new players to follow that will build the character up in a direction that the player is interested in. All the while, teaching the player about EVE. Covering a broad spectrum but without going into depth at first and then as the player progresses along a path they carve based on choices they made (choices going right back to character creation), the player will learn in greater detail more specific topics.

It would even ease players into low sec and pvp early on in a controlled manner. Facing small groups while being in a small group yourself. Facing people who are just learning too with low sp and in cheap ships fitted with cheap mods. Slowly escalating as you go.

Eventually the player ends up into the EVE universe everyone else plays in now. So those playing now wouldn't even know such a thing was implemented until told or they created a new character. Even then, there is the option to skip it if the new character is on an account that already has a character that either A) Existed before the implementation or B) Has already done it. The player would have a better understanding of what EVE offers, and will have a better head start by the time they finish and join up with everyone else.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#144 - 2012-11-07 03:48:50 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
It would even ease players into low sec and pvp early on in a controlled manner.



Here is the basis of your dictatorship-oriented version of EVE.

Congratulations. At least you are honest enough to publish nyour viewpoint openly.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Tug McLub
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#145 - 2012-11-07 03:57:47 UTC
Hey OP,

You should move on to some other game like, oh I don't know, Hello Kitty Island Adventure?


CYA :)
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-11-07 05:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Gorgeous Dre wrote:


Is there a streamlined, one stop shop site to go to to learn the game? Damage types, ships, glossary of terms, etc???

The Goonswarm Wiki - join some CFC alliance to get access.



Well why would I go to THEM for advice???

Aren't they TERRIBLE at this game??

pffft...

I'd rather join Test....at least they actually DO suck...


So many replies....

That right there told me everything anybody needs to know about you. You are an alt of an older player.

Pretending to be clueless and then also waiving off valid replies from people that actually try to help. I find it odd this thread has so many replies.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#147 - 2012-11-07 06:09:12 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
The Goonswarm Wiki - join some CFC alliance to get access.

Well why would I go to THEM for advice???

Aren't they TERRIBLE at this game??

pffft...

I'd rather join Test....at least they actually DO suck...

Well, interestingly .... the thing is that in the South ....

Er, you know what I mean.

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2012-11-07 10:17:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
First of all if you want to PvP Red vs Blue is a very good place to start. If you are searching for other corps the timezone/s they are operating in is one the most important factors and of course what kind of PvP you want, small, med or large scale. Check their killboard to get an idea what the corp/alliance is doing. Do not join a corp instantly, ask to fly (including access to their voice coms) with them for one or two weeks to get a feeling if you fit in and like what you see.

What do you need is a source of income and there are a lot of different ones. The main difference is the amount of active played hours you have to invest.
Mission running: Time consuming, tedious and boring but a realiable source of income.
Wormhole: In principle like mission running but far more lucrative if you live in a Wormhole and farm it. Difficult as a starter profession.
Exploration: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploration_guide and http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly. In 0.0 space it is like mission running without an Agent.
Mining: Even more time consuming, tedious, boring and less lucrative than mission running
Trading: You can adjust your time investment to your needs, it is the most lucrative "job" ingame with the best time/profit ratio.
Manufacturing: You can adjust your time investment to your needs but the real profit will kick in only later when you are able to produce the advanced stuff. Difficult as a starter profession but doable although your profit will be small, it is a longterm (several months) project.
Other professions are Planetary Interaction, belt ratting.

My advice would be to start with mission running and then check out the other options because mission running is a profession you can always fall back to. The hardskills (ingame skills) and softskills you need for mission running are basic skills you need for PvP anyway.


Here are some important links.
Must have:

EFT (Fitting tool)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359
alternative
Pyfa
http://www.evefit.org/Pyfa

Eve mon (Skill planning)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVEMon_%28Application%29

Dotlan (Eve map)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Aridia#npc24


Nice to have:
Eve Agent finder (mission running)
http://www.eve-agents.com/

Eve Survival (mission running)
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2012-11-07 10:36:27 UTC
Eve is only exclusive if you dont talk to the right people. Forget all these elite pvp merc, wardeccers etc and approach some others.

Plenty of nullsec corps accept brand new players on a regular basis.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-11-07 10:45:39 UTC
And to think after Aura told me to not shoot stations, to not shoot asteroids with guns, and not everyone I will meet will be friendly, one swift kick in the ass out of the station later while telling me to forge my destiny and off I went back then.

How did I ever survive without every aspect of the game laid out before me?

Six plus years later, I still discover and learn something new every now and then...
Norian Lonark
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-11-07 14:43:28 UTC
The most important thing is to join a good corp and play with a good group of people. I started my eve career with Eve-uni it is well worth getting into to start learning the basics.

Also don't worry that you don't understand everything straight away. Most people who have been playing EVE for years (myself included) don't understand everything and even vets learn new stuff all the time. So take it easy on yourself.

Also try to concentrate on what you want to do, and learn about that you may not need to know all the other aspects at this moment in time.

Start wide, expand further, and never look back

Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2012-11-07 15:01:55 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players.


Another idiot post

unfrotunatley i wouldnt bother mate

find another game

im already looking for one

ive been re-started playing three months after a 5 year break n im still cojnfused as ever

bascially unless u have exp friends, eve is a **** game with no prospects

u either become an elitist prick pvpers or u quit

that is eve


I started EVE and continue to play mostly alone. Yeah it takes awhile to figure things out but that's the beauty of it. I never had so much fun in my life than the first few weeks reading through all the material and figuring out what I wanted to do.

Rule #1 in EVE is to not listen to people who say what can't be done.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.

Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#153 - 2012-11-07 15:12:28 UTC
I didn't read all the replies but here's my answer: Find an in game mentor.
Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-11-07 15:29:07 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
PLEASE keep posting the resources guys...I know I'm not the only noob with this problem.

and tyvm to those that contribute. Any constructive advice is welcome and appreciated.



Keep your mouth shut when vets make fun of you.
They earned the right to by learning a game with an extremely steep learning curve.
Your tears fuel their happiness.
That and this game is not being handed to you on a Silver Platter like some 'other' MMO's tend to do.
Man-up and start reading forums, and getting tons of ships blown up experimenting.

Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2012-11-07 15:30:17 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
This one's got a bit of an attitude. What?



Yeah, no, I don't take disrespect. Those that was offered advice and constructive criticism I thank. THose who come here to flex their egos to bash a new player to make themselves feel superior in some way I insult right back.



I bet 5 billion ISK that you will not be here ACTIVELY PLAYING 1 year from now.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-11-07 15:47:59 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players.


Another idiot post

unfrotunatley i wouldnt bother mate

find another game

im already looking for one

ive been re-started playing three months after a 5 year break n im still cojnfused as ever

bascially unless u have exp friends, eve is a **** game with no prospects

u either become an elitist prick pvpers or u quit

that is eve


I started EVE and continue to play mostly alone. Yeah it takes awhile to figure things out but that's the beauty of it. I never had so much fun in my life than the first few weeks reading through all the material and figuring out what I wanted to do.

Rule #1 in EVE is to not listen to people who say what can't be done.


Ok fair. But eve = not solo game if you do you get bored and fast. Stop playing solo that will kill the game for you at the end. Its a mmorpg and not a rpg single player game. Even you can solo but like i say it will bored you out of this game.
Euvarius Abraxas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-11-07 15:51:10 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
I want to have fun.

My interests mainly lie in PvP, but I'd like to LEARN about everything I can. Just seems like the information is all over the place.

Take ammo for instance. I can't really seem to find a SOLID place that will just tell me all about ammo in game. The pros and cons of each, blah blah blah. I've listened to some E Uni lectures in their archives, but they don't get into detail.


Join us. Message me in game. I'm pretty new too, and I have learned a lot in Nexus Fleet. It's a fun place to be, with people who had the same feeling just like you! Message me in game...I will get you started.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#158 - 2012-11-07 18:16:59 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Stop playing solo that will kill the game for you at the end. Its a mmorpg and not a rpg single player game.


It's a SANDBOX.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#159 - 2012-11-07 18:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Johan Civire wrote:
Stop playing solo that will kill the game for you at the end. Its a mmorpg and not a rpg single player game.


It's a SANDBOX.


Its mmorpg sandbox you know mmorpg stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game got it. I hope so.

I dont see the rpg or rts or you know what i mean. If you want to play solo game play a solo game not a mmorpg.
Yorick rashnikov
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#160 - 2012-11-07 18:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Yorick rashnikov
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I tell you what.

I have started this game solo. I have read guides and tutorials about game mechanics for the first
two weeks straight, while i ignored the in-game-tutorial-missions and just skilled for a hauler, bought one and
started hauling stuff through systems, including lowsec.

I never had anybody hold my hand and i never had anybody help me. I always found a way to find
out what i can do, what can be done, what can't be done and how to find the appropriate information.
I never cared about what others did and i definitely had no need to think in categories of "will i mine,
or will i mission, will i do exploration ?" ... i just did what the tools i had enabled me to do !

There's, besides http://wiki.eveonline.com, tons of information out there ... some might be inaccurate,
but most definitely isn't. There are guides out there and there's all the ingame information and youtube tutorials.

What the **** is wrong with you ?

Others made it too, why can't you ??



I call some serious BS dude, I'm sorry. I just have to.

"YEAH BRO, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY HELP AT ALL, I COULDN'T EVEN SWIM, I JUST JUMPED IN THE POOL AND ALMOST DROWNED....THAT'S HOW I LEARNED *FLEX MUSCLES*"

K bro.

You had help. ANd there's nothing wrong with that. You're the type of guy that'll end up in China before he admits he made a wrong turn and is lost.



you're just being a jackass now.


i started the game alone as well, and i picked what i wanted to do based out from the tutorials.
i didn't have any to hold my hand in the start either, i figured most of the things out by myself. by trial and error. sure i lost some ships, sure i lost and earned money and probably lost more than earned. but i learned what to do, and what not to do and most of all how to play the game.
you can't find some magic guide to tell you what to do, or teach you everything. you have to try it your self before you learn it properly.
i eventually got in to a corp and learned even more as i started to socialise with more experienced players.

if you really need your hand held through every single aspect of the game, seek you the rookie help channel and the normal help channel.

if you want to experience PvP right off the bat with a group of people, find a suitable corporation or join Faction warfare.