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How Do We, The Noobs Get In???

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Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-10-15 12:30:51 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
This one's got a bit of an attitude. What?



Yeah, no, I don't take disrespect. Those that was offered advice and constructive criticism I thank. THose who come here to flex their egos to bash a new player to make themselves feel superior in some way I insult right back.


There are some people who come on the forums and whine about EVE which is why I suspect you are getting the douches responding to you in this manner. I didn't find your OP whiney or anything of the sort. Some people are bored hosers. Let them be.

Anyways, some people have posted excellent resources - use them. The best advice though, is to find a great corp with good people. You will learn how to play and how to enjoy the game.

And also, know that you will never know everything in the game as there is simply too much to know.

Good luck

Riedle
Obax Bannon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-10-15 12:42:10 UTC
Dre,

Along with others that have posted here I can sympathise with you.
Some good advice from some people on here too.

My main joined back in 2004 although this toon has pretty much turned into my main now.
Back then there wern't really all the nice shiney introductory missions that you have now....from what I remember it was 10 basic navigation missions....go shoot a few drones and cya...theres the universe.
Needless to say I didn't have a clue as to what was going on and after a few months of doing random missions and wandering around aimlessly i stopped playing for around 3 years or so.
Decided to give it another go and with the help of ccp for my old account back.
Haven't really looked back since then to be honest and now run 4 accounts dabbling in most things that eve has to offer.

As a new player tho there are an awful lot of option open to you.
After the initial lot of missions i think you get told to go somewhere to do your first epic arc....this is well worth doing as alot of the missions are simple and the rewards are pretty decent for it too.
After that It would also be worth considering doing the Cosmos missions....again this gets your standings up and gives some great isk/equipment rewards.

In this time obviously your skill points are going up and it would be oerth looking into joining a decent corp.....eve uni or rvb would be good places to start....the only trouble with most corps is that they have a question sheet as long as your arm that they want you to fill in....then an interview on vent and then api checks etc

After you have joined then there are bound to be some decent people in corp that are willing to help you out.....when i came back i joined a corp and met some guys in there now that I still fly with today....always helps to have some mates there for friendly banter and for doing missions/pvp with

Doesn't take that long for skill points to accumulate and then your probably eligible for null sec corps........spend 2-3 years in Null and basically with a few exceptions found it to be full of @rses in their clicky little groups......its those exeptions that kept me there for that long and yeah I did have a blast....eventually got bored of it tho and wanted to try something else.

Got into manufacturing and wormholes and have been doing that having a blast for the last couple of years.

Basically Eve gives you the tools to be able to do pretty much what you want...its up to you to take those tools and shape your future into what you want it to be.......its not going to be quick....Eve isin't like that.......people in Eve realise its for the long slog.....just enjoy your journey taking the good with the bad.
Miss Teri
Skybert Organization
#123 - 2012-11-06 20:26:11 UTC
David Campbell wrote:
Since your interest lie in pvp, try joining Open University of Celestial Hardship, from Art of War Alliance. The only requirement to get in is a non trial account.

They have classes on pvp and nullsec survival. They start from scratch so even a total noob isn't lost and there is always a bunch of people online that can help you out in between the classes. However, they have some rules on what a student is allowed to do or fly. It's not a bad thing as it prevent newer member to go broke but some people don't like to be told what to do when they play a video game, even if it's for their own good.

Last advice, hang in there. Being a noob in eve isn't the most fun, but when you start to understand the mechanics and find something you like to do, you'll be playing for hours on end.


Just a small correction: We accept trial accounts. In fact, if you have an eve account, that's good enough for us. :-)
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#124 - 2012-11-06 20:29:03 UTC
Save yourself the trouble and just troll the forums. Eve is much better when you wage war on the forums and not with internet spaceships.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Anslo
Scope Works
#125 - 2012-11-06 20:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Grab a ship and go.

You can literally do anything you want here, anything.

Start out slow with high sec. Fly some missions (quests) for different agents. Dock at a station and look for one at the bottom right. You'll start at Level 1 and work your way up. This is a good way to learn how to use a ship, and different classes of ship. You'll learn how to shoot and how to place the most damage, how to tank, how to kite, and just general ship shenanigans.
Once you've done that, you should explore other options.

You can create a company to manufacture things for the masses.

You can form a mining group and provide minerals to industrialists, or to feed your own manufacturing.

You can head to low sec and try your luck with pvp. This isn't for everyone, but if you like it, it's tons of fun.

You can continue to do missions, build your standings, and your wallet while exploring New Eden.

You could join your Empire's Factional Warfare group and fight players from other Empires to gain territory and lewtz.

You can be a trader in a market hub to buy low, sell high, make money, and **** bitches.

You can be an explorer. There are wormholes throughout New Eden that take you to VERY out of the way, nearly alien solar systems filled with ancient technology and malevolent life forms.

My friend, there's so much here you can do, just use your imagination, and ignore the elitists telling you to leave. We need fresh people like you here, with a new mindset, new aspirations, and new desires. Go out, build an empire, kill other pilots, own a solar system, corner a market, tutor other noobies, visit the Eve Gate, learn the Lore, kill griefers, BE a griefer, do anything your mind can think of.

It's a big universe out there comrade. Don't just give up on it. Pick a path of action and get to it.

Fly safe and fly true o7

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#126 - 2012-11-06 20:42:37 UTC
Guess I missed this thread back when it was new, and am glad for it lol.

Noticing a lot of "how do i do this" posts on the forums and i'm not saying i'm against asking questions, but damn, can anyone figure anything out without someone holding their hands?

I spent my 1st 3 months in eve totally solo (I was scared to join a real corp so i stayed in the npc corp chatting with people in corp chat) till one day a guy who had been in the noob corp with me invited me to talk to his new corp's ceo (it was a mission running corp). But those 1st 3 months I spent fumbling around the game , getting blown up by everything from CONCORD to guys in rifters weeks younger but light years smarter than me.

I also notice whiney posts like these that state that there IS a way to do what they are trying to do (like in this case, join EVE Uni) but "it's just to hard/time consuming/this is supposed to be a game". Right off the bat that demonstrates a personality that is maybe not suited to EVE in the 1st place, if the EVE Uni application process is too hard what are you going to do the 1st time you see an EVEMON skill plan for tech 2 guns, capital ships or Marauders? All good things in EVE require more patience than the average gamer (or human being) can muster.

EVE is more hobby than game, if a person doesn't like that, that's no crime, but continuing to play EVE when you know it's not for you just might be......
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#127 - 2012-11-06 20:43:43 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Respect to what they do but the application process to my real life university was quicker and simpler.

You seem to have picked the wrong game. Have you tried Call of Duty?

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#128 - 2012-11-06 20:53:50 UTC
In order for Eve to attract n00bs, the established players need to stop acting liking *****. As that isn't going to happen, I wouldn't expect the player base to swell any time soon.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#129 - 2012-11-06 20:57:52 UTC

(Goon and TEST wikis are much better, but unfortunately private)

http://eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~361.htm

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#130 - 2012-11-06 20:58:24 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
In order for Eve to attract n00bs, the established players need to stop acting liking *****. As that isn't going to happen, I wouldn't expect the player base to swell any time soon.


Screw them lol, The "established" players are under no obligation to do anything but play, hell, if anything they have a duty to themselves to preserve their place in the game. It's the new player who has the responsibility to themselves to learn how to crack any walls "the establishment" puts up, like Goons did when they came in and found a game dominated by BoB.

And "expect the player base to swell any time soon"? Who outside of a CCP accountant wants or expects that to happen, even has displayed gradual growth for 10 years, and that's the best kind of growth.

some of you guys may want an EVE stuff full of entitled/spoiled "bears-in-waiting" who want nothing more than a game that caters to them I, personally, don't lol.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2012-11-06 21:02:32 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:

You basically can't join a decent corp until you have that much SP??? So I basically have to play by myself until then? If so then this'll just be a little side hobby until something else comes out. A friend of mine referred me to this game, but he stopped playing. Not going to pay just to log in, put some skills in queue then log off, which is basically all I do now., and have been doing for the last 2 weeks. If this is how it is up until the millions point in SP then...yeah....not for me.


OP: Ready for real advice as a Noob? OK:

1. Yes you need to train a lot of points to become relevant. About 5 million points is a good starting point. That means 3-6 months of regular play.
2. Read those other links and try to get an idea of the character you want to play. Do you want to roleplay or just be a PvP specialist? If you want to roleplay, figure out what profession you want to be in (business/trading/industry) and what kind of ship you want to fly. Again, the above links help.
3. The training time to build up a strong character is useful for trying out some ideas for business. Here are some basics you can look more into:

a. Hauling/Freight
b. Trading/Peddling
c. Daytrading
d. Missions and Ratting (this leads to good standing, that you can then use later)
e. Mining
f. Manufacture (often includes mining a little)
g. Research
h. Exploration
i. Piracy (attacking other players and taking their stuff)

4. Once you have something you like to do, focus on it for a while.
5. That will get you to the mult-million point regime at which point you can start talking to corporations about recruitment.
6. Almost every corporation I've heard of (not mine) is pro-piracy. Everybody wants to be a toughguy goon.

Another option instead of this path is to join the Goonswarm. They will take you brand new and eschew traditional ways of playing the game in favor of a chaotic mismash of things done to support their favorite thing, which is screwing with the game mechanics and fighting other players. They will sort of throw you into a big mess and encourage you to lose ships.. It's sort of a badge of honor among their kind. However, they do have excellent training plans and have trained a lot of good pilots.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-11-06 21:03:22 UTC
Also: Specialize, specialize, specialize.
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
#133 - 2012-11-06 21:08:02 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
I want to have fun.

My interests mainly lie in PvP, but I'd like to LEARN about everything I can. Just seems like the information is all over the place.

Take ammo for instance. I can't really seem to find a SOLID place that will just tell me all about ammo in game. The pros and cons of each, blah blah blah. I've listened to some E Uni lectures in their archives, but they don't get into detail.


PVP can take time, in the process you learn a lot but if you are not willing to learn then you will not get anywhere.

If you want to get into pvp and not sure where to begin, overviews, places to go, aggro mechanics, dealing with the blob etc etc...hit up my main Gibbo3771.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2012-11-06 21:17:45 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
I want to have fun.

My interests mainly lie in PvP, but I'd like to LEARN about everything I can. Just seems like the information is all over the place.

Take ammo for instance. I can't really seem to find a SOLID place that will just tell me all about ammo in game. The pros and cons of each, blah blah blah. I've listened to some E Uni lectures in their archives, but they don't get into detail.


PvP has a steep learning curve and it's all intellectual. Fast reflexes and twitchiness get you nowhere in Eve. You need to have stacked and specialized skills and a significant amount of practice in understanding what each type of ship can do, along with the ability to use and understand weapons, defenses, the navigation menu and free flight. Fitting ships is a complete and complex art along with learning the vast number of strategies involved. There's no way to just learn all of that in a few weeks or months. It takes a long time. And in the end, some people are just better at it.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-11-06 21:22:12 UTC
Read through several pages, a lot of good info being put out here. I feel your pain, I was there not too long ago, and in many ways still am. Send me a mail or convo me if you see me online, I will be more than happy to help you.
Holy One
Privat Party
#136 - 2012-11-06 21:35:59 UTC
The Goon wiki is the only site I've ever used and recommended to newer players.

:)
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#137 - 2012-11-06 21:53:12 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Undeniable Chuck wrote:
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
I want to have fun.

My interests mainly lie in PvP, but I'd like to LEARN about everything I can. Just seems like the information is all over the place.

Take ammo for instance. I can't really seem to find a SOLID place that will just tell me all about ammo in game. The pros and cons of each, blah blah blah. I've listened to some E Uni lectures in their archives, but they don't get into detail.


Hi my friend. Do you have an account on Somethingawful or Reddit? If so, then you should join Goons or TEST. They are the best newbie training organizations in the game. Your observations about Eve University are pretty much standard, and its really not a great place to learn how to pvp because of their overbearing rules and restrictions. I recommend checking our the Eve Uni wiki though, as it is a good public resource (Goon and TEST wikis are much better, but unfortunately private). As far as joining corps, I would check out the recruitment forums on this website. For every "elitepvp" corp that requires 50m sp, there are many who take newbies and nurture them. Do some reading on there, and you can find a good match that suits your TZ and interests.



As much a I appreciate your advice ( I truly do), I am slightly uncomfortable being stared at that way by a man in a corp with that name...

I sure hope I don't run into you in some dark asteroid belt some day....


I like this guy..he seems to have the ability to smell a rat. The best source is people in game but I find people get tired of going over the same stuff over and over. Reading and utube and google are good starts. Always be carefull bc there is plenty of bad fits and advice out there. Try to confirm with others what they think.

Look for a group of guys that fit your play style. If your a Pecker Head give the goofs a try. Try to learn what you can in hi-sec to minimize your mistakes and find something you like to make money to fund your PVP.

Good Luck
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#138 - 2012-11-06 21:57:45 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players.



Where in my post did I ask for instant satisfaction?

"Weed out"???

Feel like one of the "Cool Kids" now huh?

"Take THAT you jocks and cheerleaders from High School!!!"


Have sex dude.

Why in God's name would someone WANT people to be excluded in an MMORPG??? Wouldn't you WANT new players to be able to learn more efficiently (which is all I asked for)?



Every other MMO coming out is instant gratification and noobie /casual friendly, and they all equally suck. Any other questions?

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-11-06 22:02:53 UTC
Holy One wrote:
The Goon wiki is the only site I've ever used and recommended to newer players.


Jesus that's old and out of date. But it does a good enough job on the basics at least.
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-11-07 00:41:19 UTC
I started on this game about four or five days ago I think. I understood the basic mechanics and concept of the game halfway through the tutorials and after having at least over 50 questions answered in the rookie channel.

It's a troubling learning curve, but once you've understood the concept you can answer most questions yourself. Many things have the same pattern. Once you realize the pattern, you can figure out the problems by yourself even if it's different from the problem you last encountered.

No