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How Do We, The Noobs Get In???

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2012-10-14 15:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
I want to have fun.

My interests mainly lie in PvP, but I'd like to LEARN about everything I can. Just seems like the information is all over the place.

Take ammo for instance. I can't really seem to find a SOLID place that will just tell me all about ammo in game. The pros and cons of each, blah blah blah. I've listened to some E Uni lectures in their archives, but they don't get into detail.



Welcome to EVE.

Been at it 2 1/2 years and still a LOT to learn. My old Alliance Leader was at the 4-year level and learned something every day.

Get used to it. It never stops.

edit: Read the ISK Guide and do your own discovering. That's part of the fun. Ask questions of other players. This is not a solitary correspondence course learning type of game.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#42 - 2012-10-14 15:39:58 UTC
I like http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ . It's a giant flowchart; see if anything peaks your interest. You can click on each box for more info :)

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#43 - 2012-10-14 15:41:35 UTC
Oh hey, it's the same "attitude problem troll" we had a few weeks ago with the RvB post.

0/10

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Umarillian
Dead poets society
#44 - 2012-10-14 15:42:59 UTC
I'm sorry,

I didn't read all of the posts as most of them were typical "General Discussion" flames. Thus I apologies if I repeat information.




The entirety of my advice for surviving past your first six months in eve is the following.


1) Instead of going to General Discussion. Go to either:
-Help Channel in game:
-New Citizens Q&A on the forum: This place is for players who are new and for players who are looking to help new players get going in new Eden. Seriously the atmosphere is entirely different there.

2) Drop any expectations of learning everything you need to in E.V.E. The best part of the game is the extreme level of specialization that arises in almost every area. No-one in game can do even a third of the available tasks besides the oldest of 03' players with many, many accounts.

3) Join a corporation using the in game Corporation finder that I believe the tutorial points you towards. Eve is a game of numbers; Number of ships, ammo, guns, people, resources, time, and experiences. You will learn and accomplish far more through the slow absorption of information from players who know more than you, than you ever will from un-guided googling.

4) Don't stress over not knowing something in particular. Just focus on the very basics of what you think you want to know. Ask the general question in help chat, to your corporation, or on the new citizens Q&A.

What you should know to survive E.V.E in general

5)Don't fly what you can't afford to replace

6)Rancer is gate camped and you will die in a fire ALWAYS.

7)Jita contracts are largely scams

8)If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

9)If someone takes from your can, they are trying to agress you. Don't let them unless you are expecting a fight.

10)Fly Dangerous
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-10-14 15:44:22 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
can someone give a quick rundown of who the Clusterfuck Coalition and Honeybadger coalitions are? Because I'm pretty sure they wont show up under People and Place" with those names. Google just gives a bunch of forum posts with their name in them.


A quick rundown of the 2 largest coalitions in the game is near impossible.

Basically they are both null sec entities composed of many different alliances each of which is headed by a significantly large alliance (Goonswarm Federation from the CFC and Test alliance please ignore from HBC). They are the 2 largest alliances in the game.Both of them recruit from out of game forums like something awful and reddit.

As a general rule they are anti- "elite pvp" and are even proud at how bad they are at this game, despite them actually crushing everyone with ease. They accept people with less SP and typically don't have the high Killboard requirements of other alliances.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2012-10-14 15:45:31 UTC
Umarillian wrote:


6)Rancer is gate camped and you will die in a fire ALWAYS.


lol. Add Antem and Amamake to that.

Also, don't go into a Wormhole without Probes AND the ability to use them !

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-10-14 15:47:22 UTC
I remember being a noob about 6 years ago, I used to fly around in a rocket kestrel (with civilian modules and all :P) farming a complex for an overseer thingy. I saved up enough for a Caracal which I then fitted with more civilian modules and Standard Missile Launchers.

I was doing everything wrong but having the bloody time of my life!

I would personally recommend doing whatever you want to do and learning stuff as you go along, don't worry about dying or losing your ship, it's all part of the learning process.

Also, the 'Help' channel ingame is pretty useful.

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Gorgeous Dre
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-10-14 15:47:32 UTC
Umarillian wrote:
I'm sorry,

I didn't read all of the posts as most of them were typical "General Discussion" flames. Thus I apologies if I repeat information.




The entirety of my advice for surviving past your first six months in eve is the following.


1) Instead of going to General Discussion. Go to either:
-Help Channel in game:
-New Citizens Q&A on the forum: This place is for players who are new and for players who are looking to help new players get going in new Eden. Seriously the atmosphere is entirely different there.

2) Drop any expectations of learning everything you need to in E.V.E. The best part of the game is the extreme level of specialization that arises in almost every area. No-one in game can do even a third of the available tasks besides the oldest of 03' players with many, many accounts.

3) Join a corporation using the in game Corporation finder that I believe the tutorial points you towards. Eve is a game of numbers; Number of ships, ammo, guns, people, resources, time, and experiences. You will learn and accomplish far more through the slow absorption of information from players who know more than you, than you ever will from un-guided googling.

4) Don't stress over not knowing something in particular. Just focus on the very basics of what you think you want to know. Ask the general question in help chat, to your corporation, or on the new citizens Q&A.

What you should know to survive E.V.E in general

5)Don't fly what you can't afford to replace

6)Rancer is gate camped and you will die in a fire ALWAYS.

7)Jita contracts are largely scams

8)If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

9)If someone takes from your can, they are trying to agress you. Don't let them unless you are expecting a fight.

10)Fly Dangerous


You will learn and accomplish far more through the slow absorption of information from players who know more than you, than you ever will from un-guided googling

Thank you for basically telling me I'm not crazy for doing what I did. All the folks saying "GO GOOGLE NOOB" are being unreasonable.

TY also for the advice. Much appreciated.

This mentality has much to do with why our country is so screwed up. People don't want to admit they have no clue WTF they're talking about and out of pride, refuse to go to someone who does. They'd instead rather take the hard route" and "just figure it out". If you MUST, fine. But you don't.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-10-14 15:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
There are a lot of mmos where the infos are not so easy to get, not clear, not centralized. EVE being so rich, of course there will be many sources of infos. But finally we are quite well equiped with all the links people already gave you here.
Don't give up, because i think that EVE is not a sort of game that you learn by reading. I suggest that you try a bit of all what you can with your current skill level. You can start many new activities by training one or two skills to level 1-2, which take a few hours at worst. Of course you won't be very effective, but you'll get a taste of it, you'll see all what's possible. Experiment in game, THEN read about what problems/questions you encoutered.
There's a link you'll certainly like to keep, because it presents shortly and clearly all the classical activities you can do in EVE : http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Whatever you choose to do, remember that it's boring if you do it always alone, and always the same way.
Take your time to see what you like most (and don't be afraid to change your mind, it's better than to be bored), and then seek a corporation which would help you to practise in the direction you like while making friends.
As for the people who attack you stupidly here, just ignore them, don't lose your energy on that, focus on having fun, because EVE can really be fun with the right people !

Edit : oops, i see that Kale Eledar already gave the link before me, sorry Blink
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-10-14 15:54:13 UTC
lmao

yeah I think you'll fit right in

also,

use eve mon, maybe EveFit (others may say there are better I dunno, just useful to play with fits offline etc)

Oh and be sure and really read all that the items on the market say - like you're looking for an armor hardener? check out all its tabs because there's a lot of useful stuff there, esp the one that tells you if you can use it or not, what slot it fits into etc

short version of ammo question - it depends. If you're talking about blaster/hybrid ammo, it's essentially just range + damage. Again read the info off the market and it'll help a lot. I prefer that over the wiki tbh.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#51 - 2012-10-14 15:58:54 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Thank you for basically telling me I'm not crazy for doing what I did. All the folks saying "GO GOOGLE NOOB" are being unreasonable.

TY also for the advice. Much appreciated.

This mentality has much to do with why our country is so screwed up. People don't want to admit they have no clue WTF they're talking about and out of pride, refuse to go to someone who does. They'd instead rather take the hard route" and "just figure it out". If you MUST, fine. But you don't.


The amusing thing is that when they say 'figure it out for yourself' they really mean 'do what someone you find on google tells you to do'. There's no real difference between asking someone on this forum what to do, or getting your answer from another person somewhere else online.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-10-14 15:59:41 UTC
Keep in mind half the fun of EVE is learning about and even discovering all the arcana, like what sites give which loot, what Data Center Agents do for you. COSMOS constellation missions. There are still no complete, accurate guides on that one.

A lot will indeed be self-discovery for you.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-10-14 16:08:30 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:


Is there a streamlined, one stop shop site to go to to learn the game? Damage types, ships, glossary of terms, etc???

The Goonswarm Wiki - join some CFC alliance to get access.

.

J Kunjeh
#54 - 2012-10-14 16:11:19 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
This one's got a bit of an attitude. What?



Yeah, no, I don't take disrespect. Those that was offered advice and constructive criticism I thank. THose who come here to flex their egos to bash a new player to make themselves feel superior in some way I insult right back.


Just be careful. By December, anyone and everyone will be able to put a bounty on your head. Twisted

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Idris Helion
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-10-14 16:24:32 UTC
EVE has the reputation of being a griefer's paradise, and a lot of this thread explains why that is the case.

CCP has actually promoted the "harsh, cruel" aspect of EVE -- to the extent that it has hurt their ability to retain many players. EVE's player-base has remained pretty static (and has even shrunk some after the Incarna fiasco), which means that a lot of the players (and their many alts) are now laden with millions of skillpoints and billions of ISK and are finding it ever-more difficult to find new horizons to explore in EVE.

There's no getting around it - EVE is incredibly hostile to new players.The real-time training system, the incredibly complex (and often needlessly-so) mechanics, the complicated aggro rules, the positively ancient missioning system, the incomplete tutorials...the list goes on and on. I've stayed in EVE for a long time because it becomes fun after many months, but if I had to start over I wouldn't even bother.

I'm not even sure at this point how CCP could even go about making EVE more "noob friendly" without banning at least half of the player population, and completely changing the game mechanics to such an extent that it would probably be less work to just create a new game. For better or worse, I think, EVE exists to serve the bittervets now -- new players are accepted, but rarely welcomed.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#56 - 2012-10-14 16:42:35 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
You won't last long in this game ... and that's probably not even a bad thing ...



See this is what I'm talking about. Right here.

"YEAH, I'M BIG BAD EVE PLAYER, AND I CRUSH U NOOBS. YOU WONT LAST LONG HERE. GRRRRRR"


You're probably some 120 pound ginger with freckles dude, f**k out of here with that elitist, tough guy crap dude.

All I'm asking for is information. If that makes me "weak" then so be it, but please can the tough guy **** man you're not fooling anyone. I bet if we go back, we'd find out you got helped when you started out. No idea why punk asses like you go around acting like you were flying titans after 5 days of play when you started.


Well put. Plus, you don't want to be involved with anything the Goons have going. They are known scammers and general takers from the unwary...
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-10-14 16:52:29 UTC
I was a noob once too, with my standards set too high, I expected eve to be like my single player experience with SPACE games (X tension, X2, and others)

What made eve attractive to me - long learning curve, new changes that make learning new things even longer. Totally new stuff since I joined, Dreadnaughts, Carriers, lvl 5 missions, tech 3, planetary interaction, factional warfare, wormholes, new game mechanics, new races, new skills... this list always continues.

I still have no idea about capital ships and amarr technologies.

Difficulty is what makes eve desirable. It also acts as a barrier to casual (stupid, hating, childish) gamers.

If you reveal all eve secrets too fast, the game may become boring. Although you can get better guides, tips and tools, it is best to discover things by yourself.

EFT and EVE mon - killed all sacrament of buying better ship, exploring new tier - since I explored 50% of them in day one.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Adeleda Adoudel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-10-14 16:57:19 UTC
Gorgeous Dre wrote:
What now man??? I did those horribly uninformative training missions...what now? Those things cover like, 2% of the info you need in EvE.

For starters are there any OTHER large scale training corps like EvE University? Respect to what they do but the application process to my real life university was quicker and simpler.

Is there a streamlined, one stop shop site to go to to learn the game? Damage types, ships, glossary of terms, etc??? Seems like there are like 5,000 diff resources and many of them conflict. It shouldn't feel like I'm studying for the friggin LSAT while trying to learn a video game....this ridiculous. I don't mind taking time to learn but holy crap.

(Fully expect SOME exp players to flame for this. I'm used to it. People get exp then act like they've forgotten how it is to be new and get some sort of ego boost from trashing new players. I deal with losers like this IRL all of the time, so it's no big deal).

So yeah...I'm basically just trying to streamline this whole learning process. What are some good Corps to join to learn? Good places to go to learn the VERY basics of the game.

I also notice that this game, unfortunately like many MMOs is very exclusive. The exp players have all of the money, items, influence and pretty much make it impossible for newer players to get in and learn through them. So we pretty much have to figure it out. My SP aren't even in the 7 digits yet....some corps are asking for 50 million SP minimums??? How high does it go?

You basically can't join a decent corp until you have that much SP??? So I basically have to play by myself until then? If so then this'll just be a little side hobby until something else comes out. A friend of mine referred me to this game, but he stopped playing. Not going to pay just to log in, put some skills in queue then log off, which is basically all I do now., and have been doing for the last 2 weeks. If this is how it is up until the millions point in SP then...yeah....not for me.


Send me a mail in game and I'll hook you up with the right people. I'm on my phone right now but will help when I log in client. :)
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-10-14 17:27:50 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players.


Another idiot post

unfrotunatley i wouldnt bother mate

find another game

im already looking for one

ive been re-started playing three months after a 5 year break n im still cojnfused as ever

bascially unless u have exp friends, eve is a **** game with no prospects

u either become an elitist prick pvpers or u quit

that is eve

Your opinions suck. Quit posting you ******* whiner. Go cry about another mmo that you cant play because you refuse to make friends.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-10-14 17:34:41 UTC
Tragedy wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players.


Another idiot post

unfrotunatley i wouldnt bother mate

find another game

im already looking for one

ive been re-started playing three months after a 5 year break n im still cojnfused as ever

bascially unless u have exp friends, eve is a **** game with no prospects

u either become an elitist prick pvpers or u quit

that is eve

Your opinions suck. Quit posting you ******* whiner. Go cry about another mmo that you cant play because you refuse to make friends.


See? It's just that kind of friendly, welcoming, well-reasoned conversaion you get every day in EVE! It's a veritable garden of conversational delights!