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Goonswarm: They are doing something with Ice and Oxytopes

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Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#121 - 2011-10-01 17:14:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
One thing we have learned from this.

Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.

BTW tengu prices have started to climb.



That seems like a large conclusion to publish on less than 24h of experimental data.

It also seems like you're making some unexamined assumptions, eg: that cheap ice products are good for the game.



cheaper ice products are good for lower t2 prices. the knock on effect of higher pos running costs are t2 items become more expensive. this was first proved when pi replaced npc pos fuel.

bumping the the price of just 1 of the 2 major reaction tower topes wont have the effect of making t2 prices higher, but bumping both will. if you bumped all types of topes that woudl have a major impact on not only t2 production but the movement of capitals across eve.

you could argue this point both ways depending on 'your eve view', although i tend to like low cost t2 items and cheap movement

OMG when can i get a pic here
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2011-10-01 17:14:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
As long as mittens stays within the rules of the game (and he most definitely is in this matter), he's doing nothing wrong.


Well, unless you interpret his statement "Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!" as a call to abuse the report bot mechanism.

Of course he could just be referring to the fact that ice mining is so totally dominated by bots at this moment that 99% of the people they suicide gank are bots.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#123 - 2011-10-01 17:18:07 UTC
Malcanis twisting the truth like a true forum troll.




My stance is and always has been, that the CSM's should represent the player base as a whole and EVERYONE should be able to play the game as they want to. That includes both you and I. CSM's are meant to help CCP better their game and they are meant to be representatives (& go-betweens) for us in order to communicated to CCP's higher tier leadership.



That's my stance.
That is the CSM's purpose.


CSM's should be players who support the bettering of the sandbox environment by rejecting game breaking activities that violate the EULA like marcro-botting, that create large amounts of lag OR would lead to things like a large scale market collapse. CCP prides themselves on EVE's economics, it is a substantial draw to people playing this game. Any activity specifically designed to cascade that on a grand scale, is not an activity that the CSM's should be activity participating in. Period.

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Hroya
#124 - 2011-10-01 17:19:31 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
As long as mittens stays within the rules of the game (and he most definitely is in this matter), he's doing nothing wrong.


Well, unless you interpret his statement "Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!" as a call to abuse the report bot mechanism.

Of course he could just be referring to the fact that ice mining is so totally dominated by bots at this moment that 99% of the people they suicide gank are bots.



Abuse of the petition system is not alowed iirc.

You go your corridor but.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#125 - 2011-10-01 17:20:27 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
One thing we have learned from this.

Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.

BTW tengu prices have started to climb.


Quote:
Little to no ice from highsec means the only other sources are low and nullsec belts...


lol guess Mittens heard CCP wasnt interested in removing all the ice from high sec so he's doing it himself.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Esagila
#126 - 2011-10-01 17:29:36 UTC
As a miner I think that this is great.

When you get stuck in the day to day normal grind with people chaning the market by a few ISK you forget how easily it can be tanked or raised by player actions. Ice, like everything else shouldn't be immune to this. I comend them for playing the game as they want, this is a sandbox afterall.

This is probabaly a pretty good test run to show how hard the economy is hit with the removal of (just one type!) ice. With talk from CPP of removing ice or by making it depletable they can go into that decision with a clear example of the consquences which follow.

In the meantime I'm going to do what I've done for every hulkagetton and hop into the covetor. They can gank me all they want as the net losses will usually be in their direction, although I'll probabaly warp out, so they can take care of the bots ^.^ Less AI competition + getting paid like triple for the work that I make = how could I be upset?

Thanks!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#127 - 2011-10-01 17:33:52 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
One thing we have learned from this.

Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.

BTW tengu prices have started to climb.



That seems like a large conclusion to publish on less than 24h of experimental data.

It also seems like you're making some unexamined assumptions, eg: that cheap ice products are good for the game.



cheaper ice products are good for lower t2 prices. the knock on effect of higher pos running costs are t2 items become more expensive. this was first proved when pi replaced npc pos fuel.

bumping the the price of just 1 of the 2 major reaction tower topes wont have the effect of making t2 prices higher, but bumping both will. if you bumped all types of topes that woudl have a major impact on not only t2 production but the movement of capitals across eve.

you could argue this point both ways depending on 'your eve view', although i tend to like low cost t2 items and cheap movement



I think higher priced T2 and slower capital movement would both be highly positive things for the game.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#128 - 2011-10-01 17:35:35 UTC
Damn it im to late... X

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#129 - 2011-10-01 17:37:08 UTC
funny part of this? Goonss are giving a shitload of money to the bots an their masters cause all the stuff theyve stockpiled till now is worth more

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#130 - 2011-10-01 17:39:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
One thing we have learned from this.

Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.

BTW tengu prices have started to climb.



That seems like a large conclusion to publish on less than 24h of experimental data.

It also seems like you're making some unexamined assumptions, eg: that cheap ice products are good for the game.



cheaper ice products are good for lower t2 prices. the knock on effect of higher pos running costs are t2 items become more expensive. this was first proved when pi replaced npc pos fuel.

bumping the the price of just 1 of the 2 major reaction tower topes wont have the effect of making t2 prices higher, but bumping both will. if you bumped all types of topes that woudl have a major impact on not only t2 production but the movement of capitals across eve.

you could argue this point both ways depending on 'your eve view', although i tend to like low cost t2 items and cheap movement



I think higher priced T2 and slower capital movement would both be highly positive things for the game.


i dont. t2 prices being low atm can be put down in some part to the massive drop in numbers of players. if indeed that has happend, as there are no published account numbers anymore.
t2 prices tend not to effect the older players much, its the younger ones that would suffer most and i feel that eve could use more younger players.
what are the possitive things that higher t2 items and higher cost travel would lead too?

OMG when can i get a pic here
Vin Hellsing
#131 - 2011-10-01 17:39:51 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Quote:
Bots

Goonswarm has been unfairly characterized as bot-friendly, and we'ds like to counteract that. Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!




Why does that sound like a violation of the eula some place or against some rule?


Because you're stupid and cannot read, I suppose. I don't see how reporting violations of the EULA is violating the EULA.

Before you sperg that wildly reporting everyone is wrong, there was a Jabber broadcast stating "Don't report everyone, you ******* idiots, just the 90% that sit there trying to mine in their pods."


You know, some Ice miners are legit...

Has that thought ever crossed your mind, Ms. Troll?
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#132 - 2011-10-01 17:42:34 UTC

EvE is hard. Wear a helmet.

Dum Spiro Spero
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2011-10-01 17:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowsword
Richard Hammond II wrote:
lol the only agenda here is "kill the game"
Looks like theyre no longer content to killing "your" game, looks like they want to kill THE game now


The Mittens is a smart guy. He wouldn't be where he is if he was stupid. So he must know that you can't possibly create a monopoly out of something as accessible as ice. Sure, losing a brutix to kill a Mack can look all profitable and dettering on paper, but when miners will get their insured, tanked covetors instead, it will suddenly be a lot less profitable. Let them suicide their dominixes on those, it will cost them more to replace. And you won't need a huge increase of Oxytope prices to make covetor ice mining more profitable than last week's mackinaw mining.

No, Mittens must know he can't "break the market" and that it will result only in maybe a 3-5% increase in T2 ship prod cost. What he probably has done must be invest a ton of money last week to buy huge stocks of Oxytopes, and resell them now, making profits in the dozen of billions. And trolling the rest of Eve, which must flatter his ego.

Well played, Mittens, well played.
Sandwich PvP
#134 - 2011-10-01 17:45:23 UTC
Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots. Shocked
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2011-10-01 17:54:42 UTC

Oh i hope the t2 prices will go up.
Way up.

Really no clue if it'll happen,
but from what i read here ... i'm looking forward to it ! :D

It's way too easy to make money and there's way too much around anyway.


Higher prices -> more work to afford stuff -> more risk -> more adrenalin.

Whoever believes that's bad ... and it's a game and should be fun ->


There's nothing more rewarding than hard work and
nothing gives a better rush than the fear of losing what was made by said hard work.
Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#136 - 2011-10-01 17:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lorren Canada
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
@ Maelstrom Crew


Do I need to say duh?
Counsel of Stellar Management are meant to be our representatives for the bettering of ALL EVE Online. They should not want to "kill the economy" or "Abuse the macro-report feature" and they sure as hell should not be manipulating the vote via an obvious exploit.


They should be helping CCP

* Stabilize the economy.
* Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game
* Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.




* Eternum wipes the drool from Maelstrom Crew's bottom lip.
* Then dribbles it onto Malcanis' face.



Go back to WoW you ****, obviously EVE is to hard for you to play.

Also, don't talk **** to Mal, as he is ten times the poster you will ever be.
Hroya
#137 - 2011-10-01 17:57:17 UTC
Just make sure that those "controlling" the T2 stuff also have to labor for it, then it's nicely ballanced.

You go your corridor but.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#138 - 2011-10-01 18:01:27 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Malcanis twisting the truth like a true forum troll.
.


What truth did I "twist" exactly? That EVE is a sandbox? That mittens isn't breaking any rules?

Unsupported accusations mean nothing. Back up your assertions with fcts, analysis and a hypothesis. You're just slinging random insults at this stage. Calling people a "troll" because they're saying something you don't happen to like.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2011-10-01 18:03:00 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
what are the possitive things that higher t2 items and higher cost travel would lead too?


A slower gratification process, which ends in a higher reward.

Challenge !



New players are okay, unless they're used to have fun served on a silver plate and "press x now" style of gameplay.
These people simply do not fit to EvE and a slower gratification process would keep them out.

That's why high prices (in relation to income) are a good thing.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#140 - 2011-10-01 18:03:07 UTC
Sandwich PvP wrote:
Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots. Shocked
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.




Careful now, once you start trying to insinuate that players should do things for themselves instead of slinging random insults at the CSM or crying to CCP, then EP will know that you're a goon alt for sure.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016