EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi all!

Tldr: I'm new, I play healers. I want to spec toward logistics ASAP, but I don't want to get (short term) wedged into that role to the detriment of other activities I might be interested in doing.

I just started this week, and I'm feeling a little overwhelmed, to say the least. I've done the tutorials and the career agent missions, so I'm figuring out the basics. I've also been reading the various noob guides posted everywhere, which although I feel more educated, I'm also feeling even more overwhelmed. I'm just not sure where to go from here in terms of skills, and the game as a whole.

My husband and I started playing together, joining his cousin and brother (who have been only playing a few months themselves); it's sort of a "blind leading the blind" situation.

I've always been inclined toward healer and/or support classes in RPGs/MMOs, so I'd prefer to head that direction in EVE. I've been looking at the logistics cruisers (and the upcoming support frigate), and like what I see so far. At the same time, I don't wan't to pigeonhole myself into a specific role too early. I can foresee having issues wherein I'm early-specced for support to the point that I can't get things done solo (I prefer a mix of solo and group play, as my mood dictates) or even fulfill other roles. I other words, while I enjoy a support role, I'd like to be able to defend myself and hold my own if I want to go off solo to mine or something. So whats an efficient way to spec toward logistics (with maybe some EWAR thrown in so I have more to contribute to a fleet) without totally locking myself into relying on others early on or totally nuking my flexibility?

Also, I'm very interested in Planetary Interaction and poking around wormholes; it looks fun (this is a game, after all). Is it worth it to pursue this early, or will it be months before I can survive in areas where it would be worthwhile to pursue these activities?

I'm not necessarily looking for a specific training plan--more like guidance to help me get un-overwhelmed and headed down the right path(s). Thanks for any input and nice to meet you!

-Inaya-

You may find this thread interesting Remote repair frigates in winter expansion

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Frigates are obviously quick to train into so you won't be pigeonholing yourself and all the basic skills for piloting internet spaceships are important across all ship types.

It's also really quick to train the basic remote armor & shield repair skills so you won't be 'wasting' much training time if you decide later to do something else

^ New player meet PlunderBunny, the New Citizen 'official' troll.

Though she is right, try not to use WoW or any other MMO terms in EVE. You likely will laughed at or trolled about it.

Though, your plan is quite a nice one, most PvP fleets are begging people to jump into logi ships.
And cause a logi pilot needs Cruiser V, tank and support skills trained you won't be locking out on other things you can do.
As a logi pilot you can of course fly T1 cruisers in fights and with that only short skill time away from Battlecruisers.
And cause Logistics are T2 cruisers they need cruiser V skilled, which also means you can combine that with other T2 cruiser skills which also need Cruiser V skilled.

1 big tip: minimum required skills don't mean you can use the module/ship properly. For logistics you MUST have it trained to AT LEAST level 4 before you can even think of hitting the undock, anything below and you will be dead/capped out quickly and useless.

If you ever have any questions about the game, don't be affraid to contact me through EVEmail or a privage conversation.

Good news... EVE actually encourages you to do this. In specializing in a specific role you can make yourself just as good as a vet who has been doing the same thing for years. Once you have gotten your skills to a comfortable level in that specialty you can move on and branch out.


Nowadays, solo combat is mostly done either in cruisers or in frigates... which aren't that hard to skill up for compared to other things (if you gun for the Tech 2 Logistics ships then skilling up for a Tech 2 frigate will be a walk in the park).


Understand something... in EVE defense, power, and wealth are a bit more abstract than in other MMOs.

For example: Mining ships have relatively little in the way of offensive power (meaning that it can't really attack back) and only the Procurer has decent defense (on the Tech 1 level at least). This is not to say you are defenseless though.
You can use the Directional Scanner (to the left of your capacitor/shields/armor/hull HUD) to detect ships up to 12 AU away and make threat assessments (note: the scanner does not differentiate friend from foe). If you feel threatened... you can defend yourself by warping off.
You can also mine within missions that you get from agents... making any hostile that wants to do you harm have to find you (using probes). Simply pick up a mission, clear it out in a combat ship, and go back in a mining ship. Turn in the mission when you have mined your fill.


If you are dead-set on being "flexible" then I suggest you focus on Ewar first as it can be used both solo and in a gang. Look towards Electronic Attack Ships and Force/Combat Recons (Tech 2 frigates and cruisers respectively).

I'll have you know I hardly ever troll the new players forum, I'm giving legitimate advice here!

Start by running in a cheapo combat-tackle frigate. It takes less than 3 days to get into such a ship and will teach you "the basics" (bear with me on this one, I'll explain later).
After that, start dabbling around with Tech 1 Ewar frigates while training up for cruisers... specifically the Exequor (sp?) and/or the Osprey (the other Tech 1 logistics cruisers won't be out until December... same goes for the Logi frigates... so those two cruisers are your only "cheap" options for the time being).

Also consider...
- beefing up your preferred tanking style (shields or armor)...
- getting your capacitor related skills up to level 5 (Energy Systems Operation and Energy Management)
- looking up full Tech 2 fits for Logistics ships and figuring out which skills are needed to equip each and every mod on it.


Depends on the ship.

Scimitars (Tech 2 Minmitar Logi) rely heavily on speed and a small "sig radius" (see: "sensor footprint/size") to mitigate incoming damage. In the right hands, the Scimi can even run as a solo logi for a small gang of people in light, fast ships.

Basilisks (Tech 2 Caldari Logi) are anything but fast and not particularly "small." As a result, they work almost exclusively in pairs... sending energy to each other (for infinite energy) and repairing each other when people attack them.

Guardians (Tech 2 Amarr Logi) operate in a similar fashion to the Basilisk and have similar drawbacks... except for one; due to the nature of armor tanking their "sig radius" is quite small, allowing them to mitigate damage similar to the Scimitar. They pay for this though by being even slower than the Basilisks.

Onerios (Tech 2 Gallente Logi)... I must confess, I have yet to actually fly one since they revamped it last year. From what I understand... it operates similar to the Scimitar... but slower.

Now... with all that said...
all the ships use speed to mitigate incoming damage to varying degrees. This means that every logi pilot must have at least a dim understanding of "speed tanking" and the mechanics behind it. And this is something you can learn best (and cheapest) by using "throwaway" combat-tackle frigates.
To master these mechanics... go after bigger"ships and figure out how to avoid getting killed (or stall getting killed at the very least).



Any ship cruiser class and up uses drones. Good logi pilots usually fit logi drones to gain a little extra repping power. Bad logi pilots fit combat drones to whore onto targets while the target is in its death throes (so the logi pilot is registered as part of the kill).


Hold that thought. The newbie section here is very tame and not very representative of the rest of the game (the rest of the community will blow you up, steal your stuff, and THEN explain what you should (or should not) do).

Hi, Inaya,

I forsee in my crystal bol, that you will be a great healer in Incursions!

Logi is always in demand, and if you prove to be competent you will have funding/support in many big alliance. Most good corp will have a full SRP for logi that are lost on fleet ops as long as you didn't do something stupid.

Also Logi normal carry maintenance bots in big fleets tho ECM drones are common in smaller fleets as a defensive measure.

I would stay away from wormholes for now until you can cope with getting lost and the possibility of no way out except to self-destruct your pod in an unknown star system.

As many have said, your character can learn any and all skills in this game so anytime you feel like doing something else you can pick up the skill you want or need.

I read that the remaining Tech 1 frigates and cruisers will be revamped in the upcoming Retribution expansion which will create a dedicated logistics/support frigate and cruiser, if I'm not mistaken. So, you may like to train up for other fields like combat, planetary interaction and whatever else you have in mind while you wait for the expansion.

Training progression is becoming a whole lot better with the winter expansion as they are introducing support frigs and improving support cruisers. The skills you should look towards are those relating to speed, capacitor and tanking. If you want to do your own thing as well just add some dps skills in there like drones. Everything those before have said about sig tanking is true but please remember this is mostly useful for the t2 logitics ships, the t1 are much weaker.