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CCP's Stealth Nerf to Hi, Lo, and Nullsec PVP All in One Stroke!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#41 - 2012-10-13 13:50:25 UTC
Roime wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If the NPC AI is anything like sleepers, then some serious drone fu and missile fu can keep even a lowly BC alive - been soloing sleepers in class 1-3 that way.

But if they got just a little smarter, there will be trouble.


I know people don't normally read the dev blogs before posting on the forums about some changes, but here you go:

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Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?

A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.




But that would get in the way of a good moan Shocked

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#42 - 2012-10-13 13:52:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Roime wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If the NPC AI is anything like sleepers, then some serious drone fu and missile fu can keep even a lowly BC alive - been soloing sleepers in class 1-3 that way.

But if they got just a little smarter, there will be trouble.


I know people don't normally read the dev blogs before posting on the forums about some changes, but here you go:

Quote:
Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?

A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.

But that would get in the way of a good moan Shocked

Wonder what they'll do with the feedback...

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-10-13 14:07:05 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:


  • It will only hurt level 5 mission runners and those who do 10/10 sites such as the infamous maze. Level 4 missions, belt ratting, sanctums, etc, will still be perfectly soloable by one man in a drake. Yes I solo sanctums in drakes, you mad bro?
  • It will just make drones tedious in missions and nerf gallente missioning paradigms such as the famous sentry drone dominix.


Infamous Maze ran by a couple players with their alt already doing it in less than 30min. This is a good change, now it will need more alts or change those alts for more players. It's nice.

If you solo Sanctums in Drakes then it's time to get a stronger ship, no big deal, better AI it's cool because makes things more interesting.

Now about drones I tend to think the same thing, it will require more effort to keep them alive instead of dropping drones and go afk.

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Without buffing the strength of the level 4 and belt rat NPCs significantly to the level of a miniature incursion, the target switching won't matter because it's one man in a drake still taking the same amount of incoming dps.


Yep but makes things more funny when someone, for example, gets a wrong direction and suddenly lands on your mission site. Now they will not have that much time to bother you with silly questions about where is system "x" and then make you a full speech of how their life is horrible and they feel alone etc etc.
Instead of forcing you to kick them so you can go back to your tranquillity, now mobs to this for you. It's an incredible buff !! Lol

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CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.

  • Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
  • Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
  • Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.


For all the problems listed above there's already a simple solution: bring more friends

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To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that.


Make mobs AI stronger so those mobs are harder is dumbing down the game and make it kitty online???? Shocked

Really???

Let me give you a -5/10, you got me on this epic troll Lol

brb
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#44 - 2012-10-13 14:10:19 UTC
These changes only really effect the classic AFK-Droneboat, which i never really agreed with anyways.

The sleepers in WH space target hostile PvPers that come in for those running them, and they've adapted just fine and make tons of kills. I suggest you adapt as well.

Or you could whine on the forums about it. Cool

Would you like some cheese?

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#45 - 2012-10-13 14:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Xen Solarus wrote:
These changes only really effect the classic AFK-Droneboat, which i never really agreed with anyways.

The sleepers in WH space target hostile PvPers that come in for those running them, and they've adapted just fine and make tons of kills. I suggest you adapt as well.

Or you could whine on the forums about it. Cool

Would you like some cheese?


Cheese of the day

Whining is easier than adapting

When you hit the undock button you consent to both non consensual PvP & PvE

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GoonWaffe
#46 - 2012-10-13 14:36:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
These changes only really effect the classic AFK-Droneboat, which i never really agreed with anyways.

The sleepers in WH space target hostile PvPers that come in for those running them, and they've adapted just fine and make tons of kills. I suggest you adapt as well.

Or you could whine on the forums about it. Cool

Would you like some cheese?


Cheese of the day

Whining is easier than adapting

When you hit the undock button you consent to both non consensual PvP & PvE

The rats are very bad at gatecamping.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#47 - 2012-10-13 14:39:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Wonder what they'll do with the feedback...

Up it to sleeper levels just to troll the whiners

Alavaria Fera wrote:

The rats are very bad at gatecamping.


So am I Pirate

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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#48 - 2012-10-13 17:36:09 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.

  • Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
  • Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
  • Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.



How about trying some actual pvp? You know - against people who stand a chance?
Anything that makes life harder for people engaging in any of the above types of "pvp" is a big plus in my book.
Grow some balls.
Thrash Cutter
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-10-18 01:33:42 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

  • It will just make drones tedious in missions



How DARE they make us interact with our DPS mechanisms. Making us do more than swap targets and turn on guns, just the thought disgusts me.

Tedious is the last thing I'd call drones, snooze being the first. I'd hate to see you try playing any RTS.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#50 - 2012-10-18 03:14:43 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.


I've been doing that to 'ninjas' for years by just warping out when i see them enter.

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Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#51 - 2012-10-18 03:24:36 UTC
Souxie Alduin wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.

  • Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
  • Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
  • Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.



How about trying some actual pvp? You know - against people who stand a chance?
Anything that makes life harder for people engaging in any of the above types of "pvp" is a big plus in my book.
Grow some balls.


This


Also now if mission runners/ratters have a bit more of a chance they'll be more willing to run missions and rat in places with a bit of risk of PvP. If you're lucky this will lead to more targets. Targets that you will actually have to put some effort in to kill, but why should the PvEers be the only ones putting in the risk for their reward?
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