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PLEX going up because CCP conjures ISK, buys PLEX, then trashes them.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#61 - 2012-10-12 12:38:25 UTC
The capacity to commit an action does not mean one has or will commit that action.

If I have a gun, I could shoot someone. That does not mean if anyone around me is shot, I did it.

I have a car. I have gone above the posted speed limit. That does not mean every time you see a car going over the pisted speed limit, I'm behind the wheel.


CCP has the capacity to make and give out tristans. They will reimburse ship losses due to glitches, including tristans. That does not mean the stash of 30 tristans I have saved for post winter expansion was from ccp cause they favor RvB. It was because i have an indy alt who made and delivered them.

OP... You can't make a leap in logic that just because someone can do X, them they have done X. Heck, you have the capacity to biomass your character... Well... By your logic this shoukd already have been done.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#62 - 2012-10-12 12:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Ptraci wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Dear Insane People,

If the price rises too high, some people stop playing and might not come back. CCP's not that stupid.

Also CCP says they'll justify any use of the tools they have to manipulate the PLEX market to the CSM, who will act as a watchdog in the interest of the playerbase.

Love, Benny. xoxoxo


But if prices rise just enough, they maximize profit from people who are willing to trade dollars/euros for PLEX (because they now get more ISK per dollar/euro than ever), without forcing people to quit. The secret is in finding that balance.

There are some theories out there that PLEX is actually a Giffen good.

Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
The capacity to commit an action does not mean one has or will commit that action.

If I have a gun, I could shoot someone. That does not mean if anyone around me is shot, I did it.

I have a car. I have gone above the posted speed limit. That does not mean every time you see a car going over the pisted speed limit, I'm behind the wheel.


CCP has the capacity to make and give out tristans. They will reimburse ship losses due to glitches, including tristans. That does not mean the stash of 30 tristans I have saved for post winter expansion was from ccp cause they favor RvB. It was because i have an indy alt who made and delivered them.

OP... You can't make a leap in logic that just because someone can do X, them they have done X. Heck, you have the capacity to biomass your character... Well... By your logic this shoukd already have been done.

Haven't a bunch of studies been done that prove that when there is no perceived observation, human behavior quickly turns sociopathic?

Also, it's not a question of capacity, but whether there's motive. In this case, CCP has plenty of motive, in the form of extra profit. Biomassing your character does not confer profit.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#63 - 2012-10-12 12:44:54 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
CCP Gargant wrote:
My answer can be summarized in this handy clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGs

But to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect.


Its not false, u are driving plex prices up, u are driving the market up and u making it very expensive to play this game

why?

because people are quittingt because eve is pure crap than adds more layers of crap!


Then why are you playing it?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#64 - 2012-10-12 13:38:14 UTC
CCP has motive for extra profit? Some measely 10k profit? At what cost and risk? You seem to not realize that there is far more motivation to stay honest. If proof of this conspiracy theory came out, CCP's reputation would be shot. Do you think they would do such a thing for 10k right before they release a new flagship product with a potential profit in tge 100k to 1 million plus profit range?

I could understand if this were some little phone app micritransaction based game out of China, but come on here. What real company would risk their reputation right before a major product release for such a small sum? Seriously, this woukd be insane.
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#65 - 2012-10-12 13:42:54 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Now, this isn't a complaint. I want PLEX to be as expensive as possible because I don't think 'perse auki' scrubs should be able to fly for free.

That said, PLEX price surges are easy to explain.

A PLEX is simply a 'gift certificate' for game time. A player pays currency and gets a PLEX.
The PLEX represents a promise from CCP provide 30 days of server resources (or AURUM) to the bearer.
Destruction of PLEX is the equivalent of tearing up these 'gift certificates' - or flushing them down the toilet.
This makes CCP happy because they collected $$$ without having to provide a service. The gift certificate, though paid for, never will be redeemed.

So,
-CCP can create or remove ISK from the game at will. (We know this because of negative ISK accounts reported for RMTers.)
-PLEX are available on the open market for ISK, and CCP can create or destroy alts at will.

CCP simply creates ISK out of thin air, then buys them off the market (injecting ISK into the game), and then trashes them.

Result? PLEX prices go up.
CCP then invites players to buy more PLEX - for those players to sell on the market for ever higher amounts of ISK.

Of course, ISK inflation results as CCP pumps ISK into the system via PLEX buys.
But why would they care? They are earning cash without having to provide valuable 'server resources' for that cash.
All they have to do is provide ISK which is 'free'.....even though it erodes the buying power of everyone 'honestly' playing the game.

Simple. Corrupt. Profitable. And CCP is easily capable of it.
(Remember, this is the same company that quietly provided T2 Blueprints to favored Alliances. Then....BANNED Kugu for discovering the cancer and going public with it.)


Kugu got banned for revealing the personal information of the CCP employee, which is against EULA, among other things. I don't agree with what happened with the BPs, but he could've gone about it better.

Proof or a reference to your theory?

And finally...what the hell is a 'perse auki' scrub?
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-10-12 13:51:53 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Now, this isn't a complaint. I want PLEX to be as expensive as possible because I don't think 'perse auki' scrubs should be able to fly for free.

That said, PLEX price surges are easy to explain.

A PLEX is simply a 'gift certificate' for game time. A player pays currency and gets a PLEX.
The PLEX represents a promise from CCP provide 30 days of server resources (or AURUM) to the bearer.
Destruction of PLEX is the equivalent of tearing up these 'gift certificates' - or flushing them down the toilet.
This makes CCP happy because they collected $$$ without having to provide a service. The gift certificate, though paid for, never will be redeemed.

So,
-CCP can create or remove ISK from the game at will. (We know this because of negative ISK accounts reported for RMTers.)
-PLEX are available on the open market for ISK, and CCP can create or destroy alts at will.

CCP simply creates ISK out of thin air, then buys them off the market (injecting ISK into the game), and then trashes them.

Result? PLEX prices go up.
CCP then invites players to buy more PLEX - for those players to sell on the market for ever higher amounts of ISK.

Of course, ISK inflation results as CCP pumps ISK into the system via PLEX buys.
But why would they care? They are earning cash without having to provide valuable 'server resources' for that cash.
All they have to do is provide ISK which is 'free'.....even though it erodes the buying power of everyone 'honestly' playing the game.

Simple. Corrupt. Profitable. And CCP is easily capable of it.
(Remember, this is the same company that quietly provided T2 Blueprints to favored Alliances. Then....BANNED Kugu for discovering the cancer and going public with it.)



I completely agree with you! I also think they have another card to play though. How does CCP remove plex from the market? They give billions of isk to players through FW which everyone agrees is broken. Those players use that plex to create new accounts. Now fast forward to Dec 5th FW is fixed no more big isk payouts in FW and those new account holders are left holding the bag. How am I going to pay for these 8 new accounts they say. Well I can grind the isk for plex but damn that will take forever. I can wait for the next big exploit of isk but that could be another 6 moths away. Well crap now I have to either transfer those toons I trained to my main account and close those xtra accounts or pay RL money for them. Either way CCP wins the RL money game.

So keep buying those plexes or dont I dont care my books clean and even so I dont have to worry.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
pussnheels
Viziam
#67 - 2012-10-12 13:54:43 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Now, this isn't a complaint. I want PLEX to be as expensive as possible because I don't think 'perse auki' scrubs should be able to fly for free.

That said, PLEX price surges are easy to explain.

A PLEX is simply a 'gift certificate' for game time. A player pays currency and gets a PLEX.
The PLEX represents a promise from CCP provide 30 days of server resources (or AURUM) to the bearer.
Destruction of PLEX is the equivalent of tearing up these 'gift certificates' - or flushing them down the toilet.
This makes CCP happy because they collected $$$ without having to provide a service. The gift certificate, though paid for, never will be redeemed.

So,
-CCP can create or remove ISK from the game at will. (We know this because of negative ISK accounts reported for RMTers.)
-PLEX are available on the open market for ISK, and CCP can create or destroy alts at will.

CCP simply creates ISK out of thin air, then buys them off the market (injecting ISK into the game), and then trashes them.

Result? PLEX prices go up.
CCP then invites players to buy more PLEX - for those players to sell on the market for ever higher amounts of ISK.

Of course, ISK inflation results as CCP pumps ISK into the system via PLEX buys.
But why would they care? They are earning cash without having to provide valuable 'server resources' for that cash.
All they have to do is provide ISK which is 'free'.....even though it erodes the buying power of everyone 'honestly' playing the game.

Simple. Corrupt. Profitable. And CCP is easily capable of it.
(Remember, this is the same company that quietly provided T2 Blueprints to favored Alliances. Then....BANNED Kugu for discovering the cancer and going public with it.)


another conpiracy theory , tho not so good as the chemtrails , new world order or area 51 conspiracy theories
but keep trying

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Wolf Kruol
1st Tikiona Lancers
Citizen's Star Republic
#68 - 2012-10-12 14:00:40 UTC
I think y ou guys are all missing the point.

If you think the average casual player will spend 20hours a day ratting to raise isk to buy plex your crazy. Eve is suppose to be fun. Not a second job. If the mission botters are ratting 23/7 the regular player can't compete against that. If CCP is fixing the plex price to combat these botters this will only hurt the casual player. Risky for ccp to go this direction.

I've pay via credit card but I like to use the game plex from ratting or asests I've gathered to pay for this game. But I won't pay for these outragous plex prices. So If I'm going to continue paying.. I rather buy a one time pay game.. like Borderlands 2 or new X-COM. I'll come back when things settle down.. For now prices are nuts. Pirate and if they don't get regulated... oh well. Ugh

Lol and I thought 425mil isk for a plex was expensive.. hahaaa.. Blink


“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Lex Alandar
Q Division Five
#69 - 2012-10-12 14:13:05 UTC
CCP: Well, we found a way to make an extra $50k quarterly, at the cost of permanently screwing eve's economy. Now, how much do we pay that economist again?




Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

Must be a conspiracy.
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#70 - 2012-10-12 14:28:56 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I must be the only one with a job.

I love the rising of the PLEX price, like it does every year towards winter.

800 million ISK ... WOOHOOO that'd be awesome, i'd buy ten for lousy 200 bucks ! :D

Get a job !



For once I have to agree with angry pirate :)
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#71 - 2012-10-12 14:30:40 UTC
pretty sure last guy who posted this got banned. haven't seen him around.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Strata Maslav
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-10-12 14:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Strata Maslav
If PLEXs are driven up in price faster than inflation it point toward 3 possible dilemmas:

1) People are not buying as many PLEXs and so supply is down. This does not benefit CCP, what ever happen within the game the price/PLEX in US Dollars remains relatively consistent. I would actually assume that the advertisements on the price/plex increase is them trying to drive up commerce.

2) There are more people in the position to buy PLEXes, aka more liquid capital in the system. Incursions give more entities significant incomes which allows them to buy PLEX.

3) Goons; (Buy low sell high)
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-10-12 14:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Opertone
HIGH plex prices only kill off extra accounts that depend on ISK making.

With higher prices CCP loses extra alt accounts in the end. There is no point to reduce customers and customer accounts - in long term it forms a negative trend and people reduce total number of permanent/temporary accounts.


Somebody simply accumulates plexes, making a market pyramid, then sell plexes back, since they are hard commodity.

That somebody is you - inflation averse carebear. To turn all ISKs into fixed and stable plex and protect accumulated wealth, while at the same time make life less enjoyable for poorer guys who do not have such opportunity.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Renegade 41
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-10-12 15:21:20 UTC
supply and demand:

More demand : price goes up

Less demand: price goes down

What will happen is the spike will turn into a slower upwards curve, and . . . thats it. If you dont want to pay the price for them, dont buy them.

Simple economics.

Or just pay for your account the old fashion way.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#75 - 2012-10-12 15:51:36 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
So your arguments reduce to "they could and I would therefore I have proved they are".



Ooookay, perhaps you can demonstrate how....

A) CCP is incapable of doing this?
B) one could prove it without becoming a CCP employee, or hacking (and getting banned)?
C) this does not generate $$$ for CCP. (through reducing server loads by tearing up PLEX, and encouraging more purchases?
D) how CCP isn't motivated by $$$?


Dude, we don't have to prove anything. Your theory, your burden of proof.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2012-10-12 16:08:50 UTC
rising ISK values of PLEX is good news to me.

converting irl hourly wage to ISK via plex makes too much sense. I engage in low-risk passive play (lvl 4's), and the only sudden ISK costs are a new ship (rare), and implants if I welp a clone (rare).

it would be awesome if I could buy a full crystal set for $15.00. that would be amazing

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Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#77 - 2012-10-12 16:09:03 UTC
OP forgot to reveal his families' long time investments in the Bauxite mines in Jamaica and Australia.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#78 - 2012-10-12 16:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Wolf Kruol wrote:
I think y ou guys are all missing the point.

If you think the average casual player will spend 20hours a day ratting to raise isk to buy plex your crazy. Eve is suppose to be fun. Not a second job. If the mission botters are ratting 23/7 the regular player can't compete against that. If CCP is fixing the plex price to combat these botters this will only hurt the casual player. Risky for ccp to go this direction.

I've pay via credit card but I like to use the game plex from ratting or asests I've gathered to pay for this game. But I won't pay for these outragous plex prices. So If I'm going to continue paying.. I rather buy a one time pay game.. like Borderlands 2 or new X-COM. I'll come back when things settle down.. For now prices are nuts. Pirate and if they don't get regulated... oh well. Ugh

Lol and I thought 425mil isk for a plex was expensive.. hahaaa.. Blink




20 hours a day ratting? you're doing it wrong, for example my mining alt is more than capable of covering my plex costs, if I split the cost of 1 plex over 30 days it's less than 3 hours a day mining (in a procuror). Now obviously I don't spend 3 hours every day mining, I tend to mine at the weekends or when I can't sleep (insomnia ftw), but it just goes to show that the cost of a plex is not unobtainable with minimal effort.

NB I only have one account, the other 2 went bye bye when Incarna hit and will not be coming back.

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-10-12 17:13:01 UTC
*checks popcorn, and beverage supply* Ooh, this is going to be good. *munch*Big smile

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
#80 - 2012-10-12 17:24:12 UTC
I'm very sorry. OP is off his meds.

I could give a more complete list of his issues but that was given under confession.