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Is English the language of New Eden?
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Vinstere V
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-11 22:48:20 UTC
I've often wondered about this in my short time playing, and despite my efforts have not been able to find anything on the topic. Do the people of New Eden speak English, which was brought over by humans before the Collapse, or do they speak some weird language?
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-10-12 02:23:15 UTC
No modern Earth language is spoken in whole or part in New Eden.

The authors have, at times, taken some liberty in using the "feel" or "gist" of a language to evoke a particular feeling with a given faction - for instance, pseudo-Latin in Amarrian, or pseudo-French in Gallentean. However, this should not be taken to the extremes, i.e., "Amarrians speak Latin", "Gallenteans speak French".

In the day to day operations of the cluster, Language Translators - originally human, now computerized - serve to instantly translate conversation between two people, in large part now rendering the issue of communications mistakes due to language moot - and providing CCP a handy explanation for why we can all read the signs, reading, and lettering in-game: It is being instantly translated by our plants into the language of our characters' choosing.
Borascus
#3 - 2012-10-12 09:42:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Most of the stars in any empire give the general feel of which way the Empires went in terms of language development.

for example a brief sample selected from the star map shows the following:


Amarr:
Olin
Van
Imya
Mod

Minmatar:
Aldagolf
Oraekja
Erstur
Fildar

Caldari:
Lidoken
Erenta
Hasama
Aurohunen
Otsasai

Gallente:
Mattere
Fricoure
Dodixie
Doussivitte

If you use phonetics to break the words into syllables you can see that they are different groupings of syllable.
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#4 - 2012-10-12 21:17:21 UTC
i think of minmatar language as a fusion of nordic and sub-saharan african langauges, amarr as pseudo latin as esna said, gallente as a more western european french/german mix, and caldari as very oriental and similar to japanese. also an interesting tidbit, the chronicle "the jovian wetgrave" states that the jove language consists entirely of vowels
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#5 - 2012-10-12 22:48:00 UTC
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Amarrad - Amarr language project
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#6 - 2012-10-13 14:06:42 UTC
In the original artwork the Brutors seemed more Moari or Tongan than African, it's kind of a shame that Pacific Islander feel got lost -- and we've been over this before that Amarrian is definitely related to Persian, I really have no idea where the Latin thing might have come from. Caldari were Finnish - hence system names like Kassagainen - and merged with the Achura bloodline who are Japanese.
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#7 - 2012-10-13 14:20:58 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:

In the original artwork the Brutors seemed more Moari or Tongan than African, it's kind of a shame that Pacific Islander feel got lost -- and we've been over this before that Amarrian is definitely related to Persian,

Agreed on both points.

Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
I really have no idea where the Latin thing might have come from.
Warhammer 40k. Latin and pseudo-latin are used there to represent the language of High Gothic. Many Amarr roleplayers come from a WH40k history, and borrowed the pseudo-latin style from it to style themselves in EVE. The AURORA live event team then supported this by having actors invoke latin.

Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Caldari were Finnish - hence system names like Kassagainen - and merged with the Achura bloodline who are Japanese.
The Caldari had Japanese influences long before the buddhist Achura were introduced. The marriage of Finnish and Japanese language is very interesting.

Amarrad - Amarr language project
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#8 - 2012-10-13 19:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
I made a similar topic about a year ago, the concensus is that all nations have their own languages, but we have universal translators and english is the de facto language for player convenience, obviously. But, all empires have their distinct languages.

There's at least one official sentence that is canon as far as I know of, in Caldari; Arekaini jaalan.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan#Meaning_of_Arek.E2.80.99Jaalan
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#9 - 2012-10-13 20:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I agree, CCP seems to have embraced a duality that in many cases came from the player base itself, and so the Caldari are Finnish\Japanese, the Amarr Latin\Persian, the Gallente French\Greek, and the various Matari tribes a mix of Nordic and some other language.. Such as the Verhokior seem to be Swedish and East Indian.. The Achur show more southeast asian flavor, i.e. Korean, which has a long history with Japan..

I personally think the old East\West Indian Trade Companies have more than a small amount to do with the racial mishmash..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#10 - 2012-10-14 04:53:47 UTC
Yes, reading the novels you do get the idea that there is a common language but most everyone has their own local language as well as others depending. Also, it doesn't seem as though common folk/non-capsuleers have such translators redily available. I just read Templar One and as I recall Dr. Gable had to ask Mack what he was saying when he broke into what he called "old tongue". Capsuleers on the other hand have the benefit of translator tech being built into their comms.

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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#11 - 2012-10-15 14:31:13 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
I made a similar topic about a year ago, the concensus is that all nations have their own languages, but we have universal translators and english is the de facto language for player convenience, obviously. But, all empires have their distinct languages.

There's at least one official sentence that is canon as far as I know of, in Caldari; Arekaini jaalan.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan#Meaning_of_Arek.E2.80.99Jaalan

The name for Arek'Jaalan was created by CCP Dropbear based on the fan-made Napanii language, which in turn is based on the little PF we know of the Caldari language. So it's really a feedback loop of linguistic creation.

CCP has done the same for stuff like the ISHAEKA Concord task force, which is based on the fanon Intaki language project and means "Leader Two"

As for existing PF sentences, the only complete one I can think of is "a manu dei e tet rimon " - I am the devoted hand of the divine god. And that taken separately "tet rimon" means Divine Devotion. I extrapolated quite a lot of Amarrad grammar from that.

Amarrad - Amarr language project