EVE General Discussion

Serious question to CCP: do the people thinking up these things actually stop and think about how these systems can be gamed? At all?

I am inclined to agree, now everyone can be a bounty hunter

You are right. I hope CCP improves it so that the system gaming you just described won't be possible.
Thanks for helping to improve future mechanics by pointing out the flaws in it.

In theory, selling killrights should help should help control that loophole. From the devblog.

Set it high and nobody'll use the killright, set it low and I'll just shoot myself in a noob ship.

People who don't PVP in highsec telling highsec PVPers how new mechanics will affect highsec PVP.

Sure is valuable discourse there.

Gameable.


Letting everyone in hisec shoot you if you do something wrong is certain to make PVP flourish. It certainly won't stop people from, say, canflipping or stealing from a can in its entirety. Transferrable killrights where, if activated, everyone can attack you won't discourage ganking, in fact it'll encourage it.

Why? Because we seem to be living in opposite land.



"If you don't agree with making hisec safer, then you're just a carebear!"

Set it somewhere in the middle, and everyone will just sit around waiting for someone else to be the first to pay for the killright so they can ninja the kill and the bounty off him.

I don't think this word means what you think it means.

It's particularly good when someone who doesn't shoot people in highsec claims that a new mechanic will encourage people to shoot people in highsec even though I, as a person who already shoots people in highsec, am discouraged from shooting people in highsec because of that mechanic.

Because if even the people with the fleet boosters, logistics gangs, faction battleships, high grade slave sets and years of experience fighting in highsec under a bunch of different conditions don't fancy the odds, I'm struggling to see where all the exciting new PVP opportunities are meant to come from. Are droves of people going to come flying out of nullsec to get themselves suspect flagged? Or is it going to be the carebears who are going to magically start running around getting themselves flagged?

Oh wait, it's neither, it's just the same people who were doing it already, except now they'll be expected to operate under vastly more difficult conditions and the bar to entry is so high that newbies will be totally excluded. That sure does sound like a recipe for more PVP to me.

The part I find utterly disgraceful isn't the part where it changes the game for me, because ultimately I can deal with it, or that it will make it virtually impossible for new players to start in the way I did, in a frigate in an asteroid belt all by my self. The part I utterly despise is that people have the gall to tell me that somehow the resultant impenetrable clusterfuck of alpha ships, logistics and neutrals on top of neutrals that forbids new players from meaningful participation is somehow good and that as a highsec PVPer I should be excited about it.

Sorry, but I'm not and I wish these folks would shut their damned mouths because they are wrong and they would know that they were wrong if they actually knew the faintest damned thing about the subject. I don't go ignorantly blundering into threads about mining to tell miners how changes to mechanics will affect their gameplay or go into threads about nullsec and tell everyone how I think sov mechanics should work, I'd appreciate it if they'd give us the same courtesy and either keep their obviously uninformed opinions to themselves, or actually pay attention to what the people who actually do the thing in the game that is being affected have to say.