EVE General Discussion

The income you think of is not a bottom-up income, and that's but one thing which needs fixing in nullsec.

We've been over this before, and you didn't like the discussion then either.

Null-sec needs to be more enticing than high-sec in order for people to go there. Right now, it isn't. The only way to fix this is by either nerfing high-sec directly, or buffing null-sec, which would nerf high-sec indirectly. But I'm fully willing to admit that the problem lies not just in the income difference between the two, but other factors as well, such as non-systematic risk. A lot of (most of) carebear-types won't go to null no matter what the rewards are, even if they can make billions upon billions in short order, simply because they fear any degree of loss more than they want any degree of gain. How does one fix...people?*

PS: It doesn't help your case that half of your posts read like barely-contained trolls.



*Usually by not giving them a choice. But in the case of EVE that's "anti-sandbox," so...

+1 on the hostility thing and +1 on the expiration thing too.

This thread is really fun if you take the time to read all the wording and phrasing. For a non English native like me it's absolutely fantastic.

If they weren't doing this already that could be used as an argument that the penalties were too light for committing crimes.

Witch lead to this change and might lead again in the future to other changes at the point those will be unable to even lock someone in high sec, but hey, they will tell you it's not their fault if they abused the system, it's system fault because it let them do it. It's sytem fault and high sec players fault, as always !!
You know, it's like the comment "I'm innocent, she didn't told me she was 8" ....

Letting a feature exist on the sole premise that it wouldn't be used is dumb as brick, and even you should be able to understand that. To say that ganking should be allowed to exist as long as people don't gank is the epitome of stupidity, and atrocious game design.

Either let people gank, or don't. There's no middle ground that relies on some chivalrous honor system.

Re-education, ala James 315 (minerbumping.com, 2012)

:CCP 2012:


Same could be said for FW. That works well.

I totally agree that null-sec needs to be buffed but what I'm seeing is a fixated view that CCP should fix it. MORE income is NOT the panacea everyone hopes because a large part of the 0.0 experience is in the involvement - the experience as it were.

imo, it's not what IS there that's the problem, it's more on HOW it's able to be uitlised and how YOU fit within it.

There is a massive defiency in alliance cohesion (or even interest) to accomodate what KEEPS people in 0.0. Zim suggested there's no bottom end income - I refute this. There is, it just can't be used efficiently due to the way alliances have set themselves up. If 0.0 thinks they need to "blame highsec" for their woes then I think it's misguided and they are being disingenuous enough to not recognise their own shortcomings.

Disintegration of the alliance stranglehold on all OTHER forms of income is neccessary (and there are many ways to achieve this) but that can't occur because 0.0 is purely a numbers game and BIG is a given.

As for barely-contained trolls - you're 100% correct. Testing the voracity of ANY claim is the domain of the public forum. I often AGREE with you guys (more than you realise) and by challenging you, it often draws out the real motives and/or creates some integrity of the points being made. If you can refute any argument I put forward beyond doubt, then your case has been strengthened, not diminished.

For truth - I am a real strawman - in it's correct form - not the incorrect definition of what "strawman" has become.

Your opinion is automatically biased to defend the status quo because of the success you enjoy. As I said, your responses are from inside-out with intent to protect self-interest.

I'm looking at you from outside-in - I have no financial stake in ANY suggestion. I have no need.

But sure as hell, I'm convinced that no-one has the right to dictate how ANY part of Eve is constructed/destructed to the detriment of the people within when you're OWN problems are being used as the reason to change it.

imho, 0.0 has it's OWN problems. It's NOT highsec causing it and trying to "fix" highsec will not fix it - if it does anything it makes highsec bad for the highseccers.

So you get a "fix" to get your own people back to 0.0. What of the people in the sectors you sought to change for your benefit?

Where do they go?