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Getting Rid of the Undesirables (for good this time)

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#361 - 2012-10-13 13:52:23 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's.

There you go again, dictating where I can and can't go.



No way I will ever dictate where you should go. But I will obviously shoot at you if you act like a criminal and I don't get Conkorden because Concord actually protects you and your criminal actions from me.


I'm the paladin I'm the incarnated light of truth and you, infidel, will taste my divine justice if you ever dare to be and act like an orc !

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brb
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#362 - 2012-10-13 13:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
These bounty changes are the BEST THING EVER!

Griefers moaning about the loss of their easy mode - PRICELESS!
The only reason you're in highsec is to force PvP onto people not interested in it, in a risk-free form that has no retribution.
And worse still, these changes are likely to increase highsec PvP, and they're even moaning about that? I thought you liked PvP? Oh yeah sorry, i forgot you like the risk-free one-sided highsec-ganking type of PvP.

I guess you could go to low and null, where PvPers are supposed to go. But how could you deal with all that shooting back?? I know, it just wouldn't work!!

I'm going to be slapping bounties on a crap-load of people that have wronged me in the past. Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2012-10-13 13:57:03 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after...


If it happens time and time again it should be easy for you to give a single example of it.

Difficulty: example has to be based in reality.

I'm certain I'm missing tons of nerfs, but the ones I can think of offhand are
Concord buff.
Yet another concord buff.
Insurance nerf.
Mining barge buff

And now, canflip nerf and ganker nerf, and even "point a pod" nerf.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2012-10-13 14:01:03 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's.

There you go again, dictating where I can and can't go.


No way I will ever dictate where you should go.

Yet you persist in telling me that "if you don't like hisec, don't go there".

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
But I will obviously shoot at you if you act like a criminal and I don't get Conkorden because Concord actually protects you and your criminal actions from me.

If I did a criminal act towards you, you and your corp can shoot me. If I do too much criminal activity (i.e. my sec status dips too low), everyone can shoot me. If you want to, you can gank me just as easily as I can gank someone else. Which part of concord is protecting me from you?

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
I'm the paladin I'm the incarnated light of truth and you, infidel, will taste my divine justice if you ever dare to be and act like an orc !

There's nothing in the mechanics today which stops this from happening as it is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#365 - 2012-10-13 14:03:45 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
These bounty changes are the BEST THING EVER!

Gameable, but whatevs, we've come to expect this from CCP nowadays. vOv

Xen Solarus wrote:
Griefers moaning about the loss of their easy mode - PRICELESS!

Tell us where we're moaning about the "loss of their easy mode".

Xen Solarus wrote:
How about you go shoot things in the designated PvP areas? Oh wait, don't they tend to shoot back there? Roll

Are you implying hisec is supposed to be a PVP-free area?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#366 - 2012-10-13 14:17:59 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after...

If it happens time and time again it should be easy for you to give a single example of it.
Difficulty: example has to be based in reality.

I'm certain I'm missing tons of nerfs, but the ones I can think of offhand are
Concord buff.
Yet another concord buff.
Insurance nerf.
Mining barge buff

And now, canflip nerf and ganker nerf, and even "point a pod" nerf.

And now they'll list reasons why those weren't nerfs or came with buffs, and thus...wait for it...

shooting people in highsec still needs to be nerfed more.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#367 - 2012-10-13 14:18:21 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
How about you go shoot things in the designated PvP areas? Oh wait, don't they tend to shoot back there? Roll

Are you implying hisec is supposed to be a PVP-free area?

Just not an area where you shoot people.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#368 - 2012-10-13 14:19:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm certain I'm missing tons of nerfs, but the ones I can think of offhand are
Concord buff.
Yet another concord buff.
Insurance nerf.
Mining barge buff

And now, canflip nerf and ganker nerf, and even "point a pod" nerf.


All fairly recent, and only ways that make it harder to exploit hisec players, while they've worked overtime to nerf everything else about hisec, in response to the begging and crying of people in 0.0. For 90% of EVEs existence hisec players have just been getting nerf after nerf, while more and more isk is dropped in the lap of nullbears.

People in hisec have asked for lots of nerfs to 0.0 over the years, but CCP always ignores them. On the other hand, nearly all the nerfs 0.0 players have asked for hisec have eventually happened.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#369 - 2012-10-13 14:23:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
I'm the paladin I'm the incarnated light of truth and you, infidel, will taste my divine justice if you ever dare to be and act like an orc !

There's nothing in the mechanics today which stops this from happening as it is.


There is.

You can flip some guy you're flagged to him and his corp not to me, and if I get involved and shoot at you I get Concorded. So this change is very much appreciated by those who actually don't care/will never get in to pvp and by those searching for targets.

And on top of it you can dock and bounce in between safes so I don't catch you while Concord buff would actually jam/scram you and simply blow you up. You have a chance to fight, take it.


brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#370 - 2012-10-13 14:27:03 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
while they've worked overtime to nerf everything else about hisec

Which nerfs are you talking about? From my vantage point, hisec is the best place to make a lot of money, in perfect safety. And now the safety'll be even more perfect.

Bane Necran wrote:
People in hisec have asked for lots of nerfs to 0.0 over the years, but CCP always ignores them.

Which nerfs have people in hisec proposed, but has been ignored?

Bane Necran wrote:
On the other hand, nearly all the nerfs 0.0 players have asked for hisec have eventually happened.

Which nerfs have been implemented?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#371 - 2012-10-13 14:36:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
ABLOOBLOO


How about quitting EvE and jumping to Darkfall 2.0? it should come out around the time Retribution rolls out.

I'm sure we can have some meaningful PvP there!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#372 - 2012-10-13 14:37:26 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
There is.

You can flip some guy you're flagged to him and his corp not to me

Yes, and?

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
and if I get involved and shoot at you I get Concorded.

Oh, so the problem isn't that you can't be a vigilante, the problem is that concord of today doesn't appreciate people being vigilantes and getting involved in things which have nothing to do with them?

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
So this change is very much appreciated by those who actually don't care/will never get in to pvp

i.e. those who thinks hisec should be hello kitty online.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
and by those searching for targets.

Yes, I'm sure hisec will be filled to the brim with hisec pubbies who suddenly discover that they do, in fact, have a lust for blood, and they will certainly not keep treating hisec as the hello kitty online which CCP is rapidly turning it into.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
And on top of it you can dock and bounce in between safes so I don't catch you while Concord buff would actually jam/scram you and simply blow you up. You have a chance to fight, take it.

Conversely, those who get canflipped today have the ability to bring the whole corp to bear on the guy who did the canflipping. Are you saying that this isn't enough? You need more safety?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#373 - 2012-10-13 14:38:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Which nerfs are you talking about? From my vantage point, hisec is the best place to make a lot of money, in perfect safety. And now the safety'll be even more perfect.


Whenever i hear someone talk about how safe and profitable hisec is, i know they haven't spent much time there.

Just off the top of my head, moving level 5 missions to lowsec and nerfing mission loot several times would be the kind of nerfs i'm talking about. All of which were things 0.0 players rallied for.

Lord Zim wrote:
Which nerfs have people in hisec proposed, but has been ignored?


A large variety of suggestions that would make it harder for large alliances to hold empty systems they never use, the removal of local in 0.0, and everything in between.

I know they're planning on bringing in a mechanic that allows fleets to disable local in 0.0 systems, but it will no doubt give the defender a couple days to get a blob together to fend off the attackers, and will be pointless.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2012-10-13 14:39:21 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
ABLOOBLOO

Look at you being utterly and completely wrong.

EglantinFinfleur wrote:
How about quitting EvE and jumping to Darkfall 2.0? it should come out around the time Retribution rolls out.

I'm sure we can have some meaningful PvP there!

At which point have I talked about "some meaningful PVP"? Point out any post of mine where I've said "we must have more meaningful PVP".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#375 - 2012-10-13 14:39:35 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
ABLOOBLOO


How about quitting EvE and jumping to Darkfall 2.0? it should come out around the time Retribution rolls out.

I'm sure we can have some meaningful PvP there!



There's no fake high sec in that game, Zim will not play it.

brb
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#376 - 2012-10-13 14:41:32 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
So this change is very much appreciated by those who actually don't care/will never get in to pvp

i.e. those who thinks hisec should be hello kitty online.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
and by those searching for targets.

Yes, I'm sure hisec will be filled to the brim with hisec pubbies who suddenly discover that they do, in fact, have a lust for blood, and they will certainly not keep treating hisec as the hello kitty online which CCP is rapidly turning it into.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
And on top of it you can dock and bounce in between safes so I don't catch you while Concord buff would actually jam/scram you and simply blow you up. You have a chance to fight, take it.

Conversely, those who get canflipped today have the ability to bring the whole corp to bear on the guy who did the canflipping. Are you saying that this isn't enough? You need more safety?

Seriously, hello kitty online is ...

You should try it, it has to be experienced to be believed.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#377 - 2012-10-13 14:45:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Rabble rabble rabble


So, are you going to stop crying because high sec will no longer be your kitty online Concord protection and adapt?

Your themepark gaming zone is over, man up Zim !! You worth better than that, cmon...

Lol

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#378 - 2012-10-13 14:50:04 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Whenever i hear someone talk about how safe and profitable hisec is, i know they haven't spent much time there.

I actually spend the majority of my time in hisec, because nullsec isn't profitable enough compared to the effort I have to put in to receive said effort. I just PVP in nullsec.

Bane Necran wrote:
Just off the top of my head, moving level 5 missions to lowsec and nerfing mission loot several times would be the kind of nerfs i'm talking about. All of which were things 0.0 players rallied for.

Ah yes, the "perfectly safe reward faucets" which continues to make nullsec people keep alts in hisec to run, because the effort/reward makes it worth it. Woe is you. So that's it? Two minor nerfs the last 8 years?

Bane Necran wrote:
A large variety of suggestions that would make it harder for large alliances to hold empty systems they never use, the removal of local in 0.0, and everything in between.

Which aspect of these proposals have been proposed because it would bring people of hisec into nullsec, and which of these proposals have been proposed just because you hate nullsec?

I can come up with quite a few reasons why hisec were given the nerfs it was given:
1) risk-free isk faucet needed reducing.
2) gunmining needed reducing to make mining more worth it.

Bane Necran wrote:
I know they're planning on bringing in a mechanic that allows fleets to disable local in 0.0 systems, but it will no doubt give the defender a couple days to get a blob together to fend off the attackers, and will be pointless.

Disabling local in nullsec won't h ave any effect on how well you can defend space, the only impact it has would be on people trying to live there. Which, incidentally, aren't many, because of hisec being much too profitable compared to the effort you put into it, and compared to the risk you run.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#379 - 2012-10-13 14:50:54 UTC
Saturday night fever time babe, yeah.

Single ladies, here comes a charming man ready to get you some good times.

o7 space dudes

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#380 - 2012-10-13 14:55:38 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I can come up with quite a few reasons why hisec were given the nerfs it was given:
2) gunmining needed reducing to make mining more worth it.



Before leaving this attempt gave me a nice smile so I will look even better than usual.

Fake Edit: high sec gun mining was a joke, Drone regions and their alloys on the other hand was the highest mineral provider in new Eden

But nice attempt Blink

brb