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Getting Rid of the Undesirables (for good this time)

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#341 - 2012-10-13 12:56:46 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
And this is where we disagree. The fact high sec pvp becomes non consensual pvp is exactly what high sec should be.

I'm going to quote that so you can't edit it out and let the other posters take care of it. I'm gonna go for a few hours now. I've said what I wanted to say in regard to your claim.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#342 - 2012-10-13 13:00:28 UTC
ecks why wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Not to sound mean, but between the changes and the enforcement of said changes, they don't really know what they're doing. I can construct these tactics in such a manner that they'll have to invent a reason to punish me for something entirely arbitrary. Which is in fact what I'm doing right now.


So you are threatening to find exploits in the rules and use them on new players?
You would be better off just getting a job and a life so you can get some experience of them and maybe gain some common sense :)

Posting to confirm that I'm an unemployed 35-year-old, cheese-puff-fingered virgin sperglord living in my parents' basement who is too unsociable and obtuse to be accepted in general society, and as a result spend most of my days griefing people out of an obscure videogame and trolling the forums for attention.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#343 - 2012-10-13 13:01:09 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
And this is where we disagree. The fact high sec pvp becomes non consensual pvp is exactly what high sec should be.

I'm going to quote that so you can't edit it out and let the other posters take care of it. I'm gonna go for a few hours now. I've said what I wanted to say in regard to your claim.


o/

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#344 - 2012-10-13 13:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Can you provide the proof or you sayings? -no you can't, and I believe this will bring a better pvp quality to high sec.

Steal cargo? Everyone can attack you. Direct nerf to stealing from cans, and a direct attempt at nerfing hisec ganking for profit.


It's not a nerf, it's a buff. Concord safety for being a criminal is a nonsense.

Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Different point of view and actually agree with CCP on this change 200%

Of course you do, it encourages hisec into becoming even more of a hello kitty online area.


It was kitty online for criminal actions, now it's becoming a cold harsh place just like you love it, enjoy.

Then you can also: wardec, bounty and even use your alts killrights.

But at some point I think you're right, Tutorials should be better. Lol

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2012-10-13 13:11:01 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
And this is where we disagree. The fact high sec pvp becomes non consensual pvp is exactly what high sec should be.

And that's what it should be, indeed. However, there's a difference between making it "non consensual" by making mechanics which make sense (i.e. you and your corp can shoot back at someone doing something to you which you don't like, or if you're bad at PVP you can sell the killrights on to someone else who isn't bad at PVP), and then there's what CCP is doing now (i.e. do anything wrong whatsoever and everyone can shoot you, because obviously people in hisec suck at protecting themselves or even retaliating).

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Players will have to adapt, of course some will do it better and succeed than others but by no means this change will make high sec safer.

If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#346 - 2012-10-13 13:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Lord Zim wrote:
If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you.



You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right?

Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after.

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2012-10-13 13:20:31 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It's not a nerf, it's a buff. Concord safety for being a criminal is a nonsense.

There is no concord safety "for being a criminal". If I perform a crime, I can get shot at by the guy I performed the crime again. If I do too many acts of crimes, I can get shot at by everyone. Apparently this isn't enough for you?

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It was kitty online for criminal actions, now it's becoming a cold harsh place just like you love it, enjoy.

So you're thinking that a place where the entire corp of whomever you do mean things to can shoot at you, or if you're too much of a baddie everyone can shoot at you, is "hello kitty online"?

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Then you can also: wardec, bounty and even use your alts killrights.

Wardecs is something hisec pubbies can use now, yet they're afraid to do so. Bounty matters little in this scenario, and killrights should be transferable to a single person (i.e. a bountyhunter) or a corp (a bountyhunter corp). Instead, all of hisec is supposed to go vigilante and kill someone for f.ex stealing something from someone's can?

And you actually, unironically think this isn't just something CCP is doing to make hisec into hello kitty online for carebears because they've been doing what they've always been doing, whining instead of adapting or manning up and doing something about it?

Okay, then.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#348 - 2012-10-13 13:22:33 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you.

You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right?

Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after.

Don't worry, if it accidentally makes this worse, it clearly "wasn't intended" and a fix will be promptly forthcoming.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#349 - 2012-10-13 13:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you.

You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right?

Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after.

Don't worry, if it accidentally makes this worse, it clearly "wasn't intended" and a fix will be promptly forthcoming.



How much players do you think low sec will win and how many high sec alts actually are going to unsub?

I think low numbers for the first and a lot for the second, after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt.

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#350 - 2012-10-13 13:27:19 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you.

You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right?

What'll happen is that either hisec PVP will quieten down to a level where hisec pubbies are actually safe again, or CCP will continue to tighten the screws. The bit in the bounty devblog about "well we'll see about earmarking a bounty or a killright to a specific person, but it won't happen this release"? Yeah, they'll never get to doing that part, which means bountyhunting is not a dedicated profession anymore, and everyone who has killrights on them which are made public, will be getting rid of that killright without losing anything.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after.

Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#351 - 2012-10-13 13:33:31 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt.

I doubt your preciously risk averse hisec pubbies will rage quit with these changes, since these changes make hisec safer, not more dangerous.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#352 - 2012-10-13 13:33:46 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The message you're sending is clear.

The message you're sending is....wait, say that again...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#353 - 2012-10-13 13:36:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after.

Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again.

Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Doc Mulder
Doomheim
#354 - 2012-10-13 13:39:19 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt.

I doubt your preciously risk averse hisec pubbies will rage quit with these changes, since these changes make hisec safer, not more dangerous.

These days I live mostly in Hi-Sec. I would love it if Hi-Sec was more dangerous and less boring. I remember getting ganked in Jita once. I lost a Badger with 1.6 Billion worth of stuff. The first thing that happened it startled the crap out of me. Once I realized waht happened I laughed my ass off. I realized it was this most fun I'd had in Hi-Sec in a long time...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#355 - 2012-10-13 13:41:46 UTC
Doc Mulder wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt.

I doubt your preciously risk averse hisec pubbies will rage quit with these changes, since these changes make hisec safer, not more dangerous.

These days I live mostly in Hi-Sec. I would love it if Hi-Sec was more dangerous and less boring. I remember getting ganked in Jita once. I lost a Badger with 1.6 Billion worth of stuff. The first thing that happened it startled the crap out of me. Once I realized waht happened I laughed my ass off. I realized it was this most fun I'd had in Hi-Sec in a long time...

You are not the kind of player being discussed, then.

Hope you're having fun in EVE, whatever form that might take for you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#356 - 2012-10-13 13:44:39 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again.



There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's.

Easy.

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#357 - 2012-10-13 13:46:23 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's.

There you go again, dictating where I can and can't go.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#358 - 2012-10-13 13:48:28 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again.

There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's.

Easy.

It doesn't have to do with highsec, you're not noticing the subject(s) of the statement.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#359 - 2012-10-13 13:49:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after...


If it happens time and time again it should be easy for you to give a single example of it.

Difficulty: example has to be based in reality.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#360 - 2012-10-13 13:50:52 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Can you provide the proof or you sayings? -no you can't, and I believe this will bring a better pvp quality to high sec.

Steal cargo? Everyone can attack you. Direct nerf to stealing from cans, and a direct attempt at nerfing hisec ganking for profit.


It's not a nerf, it's a buff. Concord safety for being a criminal is a nonsense.


It is a nerf, the safety of hisec carebears has been nerfed, that's why Zim and these others are crying. CONCORD nerf, it no longer protects a criminal in hisec from other players, which hurts their carebear activities. I mean, that's why they are in hisec in the first place, they can't be ganked because CONCORD will pamper their soft little pubbie butts.

They will stop harassing other carebears, because it will involve a risk in the future. As risk-averse carebears, they go to the forums and cry in the hopes that CCP would change the game so that they are safe again, instead of adapting.



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