EVE General Discussion

Don't worry. I'm predicting the buff for freighters will be here soon.

So what? That just means they'll consider their accounts as disposable, either because they'll reprocess alts and get banned eventually (since reprocessing to avoid sec status hits is bannable), or because they'll just abandon accounts which have three flashy alts. In both cases, they'll have to buy new accounts, and fund them before the other ones have even expired. More revenue for CCP, working as intended.
Not a big deal for the gankees, alts won't be as efficient gankers as veteran characters.

Big e-peen problem though. Are ingame interactions going to be harder for criminals, instead of coddling them? I'm as surprised as you are -but are still going to put a few millions on your head come Retribution, you're just a whiny gankbear-.

That's the thing though, gankers don't need to reprocess alts. Once gank characters hit -10, gankers continue to use them. The Crmiewatch changes aren't going to change this, because as is right now, -10 can be shot anywhere, by anyone, at all times. The suspect flag and kill rights will do nothing to deter -10 ganking characters.


No, please don't! Please! I beg you! Please, get in touch with me in the game and we'll negotiate some kind of solution in a civilized manner!

What business is it of yours where we go?

I do what I want, not what you want, and don't care at all of whoever internet hard feelings. Your inability to realise when you (ganker whiners) shoot on your own foot is just staggering and provides me one of the most entertaining rewards of Eve online: your tears.

Always? Hardly. If they give haulers a hundred thousand EHP and freighters a million, hauler ganking will effectively disappear. While player stupidity might be a constant, wealth isn't. At the EHP values given above, it would take about a billion just to break even on a hauler gank, and ten times that amount for a freighter. There are very few players at that level of wealth, and therefore it would take ages waiting for a target like that to pass through. Other moneymaking methods would be much more efficient, and therefore hauler ganking would become extinct as an activity.


But that's essentially what 0.0 pvp is like so you're kind of contradicting yourself there bud.


Well, that's very hypocritical of you considering that two posts ago you were telling other people how to play and act.

"Stop complaining about mining barges, noobs, high sec players, aggression mechanics in high sec yada ya. Stay in null and do whatever you're pleased without consequences, I'm sure high sec dudes will not miss you."

Funny, I thought I were in this thread to complain about a moronic change to the killright transferrence mechanic, and you try to make it into some sort of hisec vs nullsec slapfest?

Freighters will never get 1bill HP, first because there's no reason. Those are actually strong enough and the major problem of freighters ganking is the total absence of minimal protection.
On the other hand, T1 haulers could use of some EHP or fittings+slots because they're ridiculously weak, slow and fitting those for a decent tank with resist often looks like the challenge of the year.
Those don't need to get 100K EHP neither but a round number in between 30/35K T2 fittings should be something doable and not a challenge while still being profitable to gank if the lazy loads billions in.

Players will still fit for cargo, doesn't matter when they will die stupidly because they didn't used or fitted their ship properly witch is the reverse of trying to fit your ship but you just can't: lack of fittings, slots and and is as slow as a mining barge with plates and armor rigs.

Give more options is good if players don't use them this makes smart and professional gankers decent profits. Actually the major problem is that ganking is so easy you don't need to get in to dedicated corporation and learn basic stuff, witch is bad for professional gankers image and profits. Hobby brainless ganking needs to go, so players dedicating real effort and team work to make it their profession profitable are competing with other professional gankers and not random 2weeks pawn alt in his trasher making more profits than you with a dozen friends and burning 200M hulls.




Not at all and I strongly recommend you to try it out to see how much you don't understand at all how null sec and null sec pvp works out.
Is it structures shooting brainless? -hell yeah, but this is something you have to if you don't want to stagnate and die.
Is large fleets work brainless? -depends on what you choose to do, if you choose hit F1 on primaries then yes, absolutely. If you choose to fly ceptors/dictors/reccons/logistics then no, hell no.

Hypocritical reaction to hypocritical threads and arguments? yes, definitively.



And this is probably where the problem comes from for low sec and null sec not being as populated as they should. It's about time to think about it, what makes so high sec represents that much conflict and what changes are needed so certain activities go there where space was created for (low/null)
There's a big difference in cleaning high sec of all pvp and actually fix old mechanics and rules bad implemented leading to this nonsense of grieffing paradise land.

I think we're all fully aware of CCP's balancing ideology by this point. Do haulers need more than 2,500 base EHP? Probably. But what CCP will do will be the exact same thing they did with barges: hauler A has 60,000 base EHP and 5,000 base cargo, hauler B has 35,000 EHP and 30,000 base cargo, and hauler C is useless. They're going to eliminate the need to make fitting choices. It's the only way to protect the incompetent from their own inadequacies.


You couldn't be further from the truth here. Have you ever ganked? I have, mostly haulers. There is a ridiculous amount of intricacies involved unless you simply shoot randomly. Try it for yourself. Go out and get one decent kill where everyone in your ganking party makes at least as much for their time invested as they would from 0.0 plexes.


I spent a lot of time in null. In fact, I began my EVE career in null. It was the first thing I did. It was fun in the beginning, especially before caps. By the time titans became mainstream, it was stale. I still try it out every once in a while today, and my opinion hasn't changed. The one decent roam out of ten that results in a fun 2-3 hours doesn't justify the investment into all of the other monotonous experiences.


You'll need to provide proof of this thread's hypocrisy. I fail to see what's hypocritical about complaining that the kill right bounty-hunting experience CCP wants to roll out is a watered down, Oprahesque version of what it should be. We're not exactly arguing for the removal of CONCORD or sec penalties in here. We just want kill rights to result in a limited engagement between the target and the bounty-hunter.


People go where the money is, but even then, most people will take a little bit extra safety at the expense of a lot of extra money. The only way you can make people leave high-sec is by removing all but the most baseline monetary incentives from it. This will never be done, therefore high-sec will always be the most populated, active area of space.

They're trying to make highsec more dangerous by punishing anyone who makes highsec more dangerous.