EVE General Discussion

Edit: I have made a concise post in the dev blog thread that presents my argument in detail. Please read it to fully understand what this thread is about. It is not a whine thread, but I am definitely complaining about the value of the proposed changes.

So, I was reading the dev blog, and I thought to myself: "wow, CCP is really intent on getting this bounty thing right." And then I got to the terribly-misapplied Princess Bride quote. My heart sank so low that I'm sure people will wonder what the red liquid is when they use the basement garage below my apartment.

First of all, kill rights will now be created when aggression occurs. This means that even the day-old noobie who accidentally attacks a player thinking he's a training NPC or whatever is going to be fair game. But this in itself isn't the real problem, and could be lived with. No, the real gem is:


So, CCP, is this your idea of "bounty hunting" and "consequences?" Instead of a player being able to simply pass off the kill right to a more...confrontational...individual, we're just making a toggle that makes the perp fair game, anytime, anywhere, with no warning. I guess if bounty hunters go after their targets, and the targets turn out to be a bit more than they can handle, they invite random passerby on the action. I get this mental image of Boba Fett, after being knocked on his ass by a local hardman, yelling "well what you all standing 'round for, can't you see this guy means business?" while wiping the blood from under his helmet. The Cantina Band springs to action immediately, and the lovable munchkins clobber the perp with their adorable musical instruments. Then, they all have some cocoa and take a nap. Oookay. There must be an explanation for this. Maybe it's in the next couple of paragraphs?


I'm speechless. I really don't know what to say.

Firing on someone in high-sec, despite the outcome, will now result in what is essentially a 30-day free-for-all flag on the dirty scumbag. That is, it will result in a month-long prison sentence. Leave the prison, and anyone can shoot you, anywhere, with no warning. Not even a message or a short timer to get ready. Not even a break between collection attempts. They can't even exhaust a finite amount of attempts on the target. All they have to do is accept the kill right, and possibly pay a fee (and I don't imagine too many people will charge fees, considering what this system implies).

So, there you have it. CCP is finally getting rid of the undesirables. There's no other explanation for it. It's impossible to justify this new set of rules as anything other than "we no longer consider suicide-ganking, or for that matter any type of unwanted aggression, an acceptable gameplay mechanic."

That, or CCP really really wants people to roll more disposable Thrasher alts.

I mean let's face it, CCP's vision of hisec is that of a risk-free pseudo-themepark where things like 'thought' are optional. All PvP is restricted to wardecs (which are heavily nerfed), risk-free suspect hunting and RvB. By "hisec should be fairly safe" that means that you should be perfectly safe autopiloting your freighter with 50b of loot or your officer-fit Nightmare through Jita.

They believe that by restricting PvP even more, subscriptions will magically skyrocket and EVE will enter a golden age. We'll see about that (it won't)

Yeah, front-loading is kind of silly.


Only if you don't get killed. Also, that fee needs to be payed each time it's activated.


I have killright on you and make it transferable with no fee. You shoot yourself with alt while piloting noobship. Killright goes away.

I'm going to have to go back to piracy, this is awesome

Well first off, subject knows he has the suspect flag as its on his UI

so unless they are afk, there's that problem that never was

Going to be different in highsec if you're there to get tears from pre-subscribers.

Or he could undock in a shuttle and get it done with ?

Don't get me wrong, as a player I can see issues combining this with front loading kill rights and all that; but I don't think this particular part is as bad as you're saying.
Again that's just my player opinion.

I kind of agree with Surfin's; Piracy potential is *awesome*

Edit: I should probably emphasize that these ideas are still ideas and subject to much balancing and testing. If you're this concerned then raise it in the comments thread.

Not at all, I'm saying that if it only takes one shot to get a kill right against me, I can make sure I get plenty of fights in hubs.

You asked high sec to become a cold harsh place, you got it.

Activate your kill rights, or someone does this vs you, then it's no man s land and shoot everything shooting you or shoot everything legally with appropriated flag. This couldn't be better to turn high sec in to some place everyone shoots at every one.

How the heck can you silly puppies still moan and cry about it?

except the 'cold harsh' part is entirely optional

If you want a debate then be civil, my position in ISD is entirely unrelated to my opinion as a 2003 player.