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Ship manufacturing costs are seriously wrong to my opinion
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Egnald Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-10-11 18:44:50 UTC
My 2c.

Ship manufacturing is seriously un-capitalistic in EvE. Look, everyone can manufacture the spaceships, while IRL that's multi-billion dollar business.
Basically, any jerk with a few millions in his pocket (and some spare time to research BPO+pimp his Production Efficiency) can compete with the large corporations (I mean - big and rich alliances) in the area. This is like IRL situation when mom-and-pap business make Toyota Corollas in the garage. This shouldn't take place in EvE. Let's make some parallels.

1. Take 12 PLEX as a poverty line; that's pretty accurate analogy to the real-life, you can survive but you can't do anything with that money. This is about 6,000 millions ISK (500m per PLEX).
2. US poverty guideline, for 2011 (here) it is $11,484,00 USD/yr.
3. Think about it, 11G is about the cheapest new car you can get in the US. Everything better is extra.

Now, for about the same price ANYONE can make this car^H ship. That's a fundamental flaw, the cost to make any ship must be substantially higher than this, look. Take one small car maker, like Suzuki. Not the big one, not the best one either.

Total assets of this company IRL sums up to US$26.84 billion, which adds up to 27168228 PLEX.

Yes, 27 million PLEXes just to get to the business. Do the math.

Bottomline: ONLY richest alliances should be able to manufacture ships (or basically any items) in EvE. There must be NO public manufacturing slots ever, this all belongs to POS and POS only.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#2 - 2012-10-11 18:45:38 UTC
Wat
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2012-10-11 18:49:40 UTC
Egnald Oskold wrote:
everyone can manufacture the spaceships, while IRL that's multi-billion dollar business.


It's not. Anyone can build a spaceship in their back yard with the right materials and sufficient knowledge.

Oh god.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-10-11 18:52:16 UTC
Confirming I'm building Titans in my hi sec POSes. I have capital ships queued up as well.

Confirming I bought my cap ship BPOs with no skills trained and the cash from a single month of hoing level 2 missions.



Wait what?

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-10-11 18:53:50 UTC
Pod pilots arn't normal people.
Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#6 - 2012-10-11 18:58:19 UTC
Egnald Oskold wrote:
Bottomline: ONLY richest alliances should be able to manufacture ships (or basically any items) in EvE. There must be NO public manufacturing slots ever, this all belongs to POS and POS only.

Please, please tell me how allowing a handfull of individual to control the market is a good idea? Look at how much crap t2 BPO's get, and you're saying that this change would be well recieved?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#7 - 2012-10-11 18:59:05 UTC
wat
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2012-10-11 18:59:34 UTC
I am currently building a spaceship in my garage. Soon, I will be flying amongst the stars in a time dialated state gazing upon wonders never before seen with the untelescoped eye.

ok, I exaggerated, its my car where I plan to eat magic mushrooms while listening to Pink Floyd.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#9 - 2012-10-11 19:02:16 UTC
How did you come up with that 12 plex poverty line?

Randomly pulled it out of your arse?

I thought so...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#10 - 2012-10-11 19:04:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Egnald Oskold wrote:
My 2c.

Ship manufacturing is seriously un-capitalistic in EvE. Look, everyone can manufacture the spaceships, while IRL that's multi-billion dollar business.
Basically, any jerk with a few millions in his pocket (and some spare time to research BPO+pimp his Production Efficiency) can compete with the large corporations (I mean - big and rich alliances) in the area. This is like IRL situation when mom-and-pap business make Toyota Corollas in the garage. This shouldn't take place in EvE. Let's make some parallels.

1. Take 12 PLEX as a poverty line; that's pretty accurate analogy to the real-life, you can survive but you can't do anything with that money. This is about 6,000 millions ISK (500m per PLEX).
2. US poverty guideline, for 2011 (here) it is $11,484,00 USD/yr.
3. Think about it, 11G is about the cheapest new car you can get in the US. Everything better is extra.

Now, for about the same price ANYONE can make this car^H ship. That's a fundamental flaw, the cost to make any ship must be substantially higher than this, look. Take one small car maker, like Suzuki. Not the big one, not the best one either.

Total assets of this company IRL sums up to US$26.84 billion, which adds up to 27168228 PLEX.

Yes, 27 million PLEXes just to get to the business. Do the math.

Bottomline: ONLY richest alliances should be able to manufacture ships (or basically any items) in EvE. There must be NO public manufacturing slots ever, this all belongs to POS and POS only.

I see what you're doing here. Artificially lowering demand for minerals in high-sec is a brilliant strategy! +1.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Doddy
Excidium.
#11 - 2012-10-11 19:15:49 UTC
Egnald Oskold wrote:
My 2c.

Ship manufacturing is seriously un-capitalistic in EvE. Look, everyone can manufacture the spaceships, while IRL that's multi-billion dollar business.
Basically, any jerk with a few millions in his pocket (and some spare time to research BPO+pimp his Production Efficiency) can compete with the large corporations (I mean - big and rich alliances) in the area. This is like IRL situation when mom-and-pap business make Toyota Corollas in the garage. This shouldn't take place in EvE. Let's make some parallels.

1. Take 12 PLEX as a poverty line; that's pretty accurate analogy to the real-life, you can survive but you can't do anything with that money. This is about 6,000 millions ISK (500m per PLEX).
2. US poverty guideline, for 2011 (here) it is $11,484,00 USD/yr.
3. Think about it, 11G is about the cheapest new car you can get in the US. Everything better is extra.

Now, for about the same price ANYONE can make this car^H ship. That's a fundamental flaw, the cost to make any ship must be substantially higher than this, look. Take one small car maker, like Suzuki. Not the big one, not the best one either.

Total assets of this company IRL sums up to US$26.84 billion, which adds up to 27168228 PLEX.

Yes, 27 million PLEXes just to get to the business. Do the math.

Bottomline: ONLY richest alliances should be able to manufacture ships (or basically any items) in EvE. There must be NO public manufacturing slots ever, this all belongs to POS and POS only.


Did you miss the part where capsuleers have more money than entire planets? A couple of hundred isk is like the annual salary of the average caldari pen pusher or something like that. the mission reward you get for clearing out a level 1 mission is the equivelant of a mercenary group being hired to conquer a small country. Think about it.
The Dissident
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-11 19:16:45 UTC
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but lets expand it to only people that can actually fly spaceships in real life can pilot ships. Let's make Eve as realistic as possible here folks.
Beat General
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-10-11 19:20:54 UTC
EvE != Real Life;
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#14 - 2012-10-11 19:23:18 UTC
Beat General wrote:
EvE != Real Life;



Some people try really hard not to acknowledge that fact.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-11 19:33:20 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Egnald Oskold wrote:
My 2c.

Ship manufacturing is seriously un-capitalistic in EvE. Look, everyone can manufacture the spaceships, while IRL that's multi-billion dollar business.
Basically, any jerk with a few millions in his pocket (and some spare time to research BPO+pimp his Production Efficiency) can compete with the large corporations (I mean - big and rich alliances) in the area. This is like IRL situation when mom-and-pap business make Toyota Corollas in the garage. This shouldn't take place in EvE. Let's make some parallels.

1. Take 12 PLEX as a poverty line; that's pretty accurate analogy to the real-life, you can survive but you can't do anything with that money. This is about 6,000 millions ISK (500m per PLEX).
2. US poverty guideline, for 2011 (here) it is $11,484,00 USD/yr.
3. Think about it, 11G is about the cheapest new car you can get in the US. Everything better is extra.

Now, for about the same price ANYONE can make this car^H ship. That's a fundamental flaw, the cost to make any ship must be substantially higher than this, look. Take one small car maker, like Suzuki. Not the big one, not the best one either.

Total assets of this company IRL sums up to US$26.84 billion, which adds up to 27168228 PLEX.

Yes, 27 million PLEXes just to get to the business. Do the math.

Bottomline: ONLY richest alliances should be able to manufacture ships (or basically any items) in EvE. There must be NO public manufacturing slots ever, this all belongs to POS and POS only.


Did you miss the part where capsuleers have more money than entire planets? A couple of hundred isk is like the annual salary of the average caldari pen pusher or something like that. the mission reward you get for clearing out a level 1 mission is the equivelant of a mercenary group being hired to conquer a small country. Think about it.


THIS
Robert De'Arneth
#16 - 2012-10-11 19:47:08 UTC
You should take your 2 cents back, your idea does not sound fun, it kind of sounds elitiest. Plus, your idea would cause massive ammounts of people to quit playing. So back to your idea board, this one would cost CCP money, and CCP likes money. Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#17 - 2012-10-11 19:48:30 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You should take your 2 cents back, your idea does not sound fun, it kind of sounds elitiest. Plus, your idea would cause massive ammounts of people to quit playing. So back to your idea board, this one would cost CCP money, and CCP likes money. Big smile

You mean an idea that drove down the price of minerals in high-sec would be unpopular?

This is not followed by precedent. I believe you might want to investigate.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2012-10-11 19:50:43 UTC
Hi, Ship building costs? This is Noobships. Yeah..were still free.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-10-11 19:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortimer Civeri
The Proletariat have seized the means of production. Get your bourgeois ideas out of my socialist utopia!

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Robert De'Arneth
#20 - 2012-10-11 19:53:41 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You should take your 2 cents back, your idea does not sound fun, it kind of sounds elitiest. Plus, your idea would cause massive ammounts of people to quit playing. So back to your idea board, this one would cost CCP money, and CCP likes money. Big smile

You mean an idea that drove down the price of minerals in high-sec would be unpopular?

This is not followed by precedent. I believe you might want to investigate.



No sir, since people have been able to build ships, suddenly removing that would make people quit. Big smile Do think it would sit well with everyone? I know it would not, but would like to hear your take. Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
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