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I'm going to just stop you right there. If you're in the position to "aquire a killright from someone else", that "killright" is publically available. Which means that if someone had a killright on me, which they put up for public activation, then I can activate it at my own choosing.


It won't foster a bountyhunter profession in any way, shape or form. All it'll do is foster vigilantism until hisec PVP goes away in its entirety.

Some of you have seen my thread in GD. I will now offer my input on the new system in this one, so that the devs can properly consider my viewpoint.

First of all, I would like to say that the bounty portion of these changes is quite nice. It's definitely a step in the right direction, and I don't see any significant flaws in it.

Having said that, let me tell you why the kill rights portion of the changes is ridiculous beyond justification:

First and foremost, this system spits in the face of the concept of being a bounty hunter. As I said in my thread, bounty-hunters have risk. Bounty-hunters do work for money, not pay money for work. Bounty-hunters don't want random people interfering in their work. Apparently CCP passed right over those concepts and went straight for making bounty hunting as close to a pve experience as possible.

To create a system in which the "bounty hunter" not only relies on random passerby to do his work for him, but indeed doesn't even have to expose himself to a modicum of risk, is completely absurd. What kind of bounty hunter just sits back and waits for random civvies to bag his target? This is a total cop-out. CCP is not delivering a feature that players have been asking for for so long.

There are other downsides to this system, aside from player satisfaction and realism. For example, this new system will not result in an increase in pvp quantity, or an increase in pvp quality, as many people have claimed. In fact, it will do the exact opposite. The reason for that, as I said multiple times, would be the prevalence of blobs used to ensure victory. People simply won't commit crimes unless they have the support base to deter full systems of neutrals interfering. There will be exceptions in less-populated areas, but generally this will be the rule.

Lots of people claim that pvpers should like this change, otherwise they're hypocrites and aren't all that hot about pvp to begin with. That's like saying "well you like pvp, so you should like either being forced to dock or being guaranteed to lose your ship every engagement." Like I said above, people will only fight when they know their situation isn't hopeless. When I'm flagged to an entire corporation, the odds may be stacked, but the situation isn't hopeless. When I'm flagged to the whole universe, the situation is hopeless because there can be so many people around that I have zero chance of winning unless I use a massive logistics blob.

Therefore, I have two viable options: (1) not fight at all, or (2) use so much backup that people quickly learn not to shoot suspects (from theft or kill rights, it doesn't matter). Either way, the quantity and quality of pvp will decrease.

Here is some supporting information for my argument:

Many years ago, when can-baiting was initially introduced, EVE went through the same thing. After the first few weeks, people quickly learned not to take from bait cans, or even to engage players who took from their cans/wrecks, because the party doing the "baiting" always turned out to be superior in combat. The exact same thing will happen this time. People will quickly learn not to shoot the suspects after getting trounced by the suspects and their infinite logistics backup.

The only difference is that while can-flagging created a new avenue for combat and retaliation from scratch (and thus leading to a net increase in total pvp), the new kill rights system will change a system that currently works, and could potentially work even better by making kill rights work only for the person who activates them, into a system that will be avoided entirely. Also keep in mind, this system will do nothing to deter the usage of alts in suicide-ganking, and anyone who uses a primary character for the task today will just roll an alt. They will not care about losing destroyers to kill rights on those alts.

Finally, as has been mentioned too many times to count, it will be extremely easy to game the system via the use of alts.

The Solution:

This is really quite simple. Make kill rights a tradeable item, able to be given/sold to either players or corporations. This would make the bounty hunting profession true to its name, balanced, and fun. Instead of toggling FFA flags on the perps, dedicated bounty hunting organizations will be able to take on contracts from the victims and pursue their targets according to standard kill right rules. This would add both an element of risk and an element of reward to the bounty hunting profession; the risk would come from actually having to go after your target instead of relying on uninvolved, neutral players to do the work for you, and the reward would come from having exclusive rights to the target's loot and bounty.

Really, CCP, this is a no-brainer. If you make this change, it would quite possibly be your best accomplishment in regards to pvp. It would be downright legendary, and word-of-mouth would travel fast. In fact, this would also make the suspect flag for can theft a tolerable feature as well.

Please heed my words.

We already thought about it. Yes, this is a positive aspect of an otherwise terrible change. It still doesn't justify everything that's bad about it.

Agreed.

This is a less serious issue than the suspect flag bounty hunting hurf blurf they're about to force on us though.

But yeah, front-loading player penalties for ANYTHING is dumb as hell. If I rob a liquor store and the cops shoot my ass and throw me into jail, the store owner doesn't get to come by and pop me in the ass again for self-defense.

Less serious from a technical standpoint perhaps, but not from a risk vs. reward standpoint or an overall design elegance standpoint either, I'd say.

If you think about the convolutedness of high-sec players acting as really bad arbiters of justice for stuff that happened in low-sec (where they refuse to go), it really does seem incredibly farsical.

I wanted to have a career in bounty hunting in eve back in 2003 then found out the mechanic was broken. now it's 2012 and i can pursue my dream....yay!

I predict another episode of 4x4'ing through the sandbox if this is the case.

One hopes that there is enough time left in the development cycle to address some of the major issues.

Doesn't one?

We're trying to get a message across to CCP and you gotta do that **** here? Seriously?

The option doesn't work very well as it is because of how overview filtering works.

Unless I am mistaken, I think you have to be in the same system, on grid, to activate a kill right (your own or one you bought) which makes activating your own killright continually on a target at best difficult to do as it would require following the target around without any mistakes... as for kill rights that have been bought, they have to be bought again for each activation, if I understood things right..