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There's at least one more year until it gets launched, if it does not get delayed, and it's very likely it will be delayed.
Then you have at least another year until it gets good enough to really directly compete.
So that's 2, probably 3 years before CCP has to ramp up the worry engine.

Still, having SOME degree of possibly serious competition would be a GOOD thing for EVE, and considering I sort of like the whole Wing Commander stuff, especially with a GW-like (pay game, play forever single player, multiplayer as much as servers are up or you're willing to host your own server) kind of model, heck, why not.

Pretty much the same thing, more or less, wouldn't you say so ?

I think the only real problem here that could surface is that this could close the new player spigot down to a trickle for EVE, at least for a time. But then over time, due to that, PLEX may sky rocket higher than it probably will already be at at that point in a couple years (if trends continue). New players now tend to see PLEX as an incentive to start playing, PLEXing later, but with PLEX being maybe 1b+ at that point, it may be seen as too expensive to new players to even consider using at a later time.

I think a number of things could happen at that point on CCP's part. Lower subscription fees? Greater discount on 1yr subs? Or bad, like more big easy ISK spigots to drive the PLEX market (as they seem to be doing already). Or maybe then CCP may just not care about growing EVE while they gear up WoD for launch. heh or maybe all of the above and more. That's if the game doesn't flop, anyway.

So you obviously have no idea who Chris Roberts is, then?

I don't think it will replace Eve...no way. Eve will always be so much more complex than other MMOs.

I don't think it's going for that market, either. It's a simulator and an MMO, but it's more of a simulator. It's like MS Flight Simulator on servers with hundreds of thousands of people playing at the same time; it's an MMO only in the strictest sense. The draw isn't that it's an MMO, but rather that it's more like Wing Commander.

It's not going to replace Eve because it's a completely different type of game.

You can't really roflstomp an existing MMO with a new one. History has shown us, that reality just doesn't work that way and the reason for that is really simple. Every developer is more or less bound by the same limitations. Meaning you can develop an entirely new type of game or try to alter an existing design. A new type of game can be great, but it isn't the same as the old ones, so it's just another name in a long list of great games. We get these on a constant basis and they don't roflstomp anything. They either suck or shine. Either way things move on without much affect to the existing games.

Altering existing designs runs to the problem, that the same limitations apply to the new game too, that apply to old ones. The developers of existing games aren't fools. They've thinked about these issues, have worked on them for years and have access to the same tech as the new guys. If there was an easy way to better the games without making painful sacrifices, it would have been done already. A new MMO can make meaningful changes to an old formula, but it always comes at a cost in other areas. You just can't improve on everything without making sacrifices elsewhere.

More importantly the nature of MMOs makes them very hard to be taken down by an alteration of the same existing design. The reason for that is, that MMOs are constantly being developed and developing a competative MMO takes a lot of time and resources. It'll take 3-4 years minimum with tens of millions being invested. During that time the existing MMOs will also see constant development and resources being invested in them. The companies making them will also have years of additional actual development and game managing experience under their belt. It's a constantly moving goalpost, that the new guys have to beat, with likely less experienced workers and less resources. Managing to roflstomp an existing MMO maker in their own game is almost an impossible feat to achieve and will be catastrophic for you if you fail at it. Then you've wasted your time making a bad copy of an already existing game, so you'll be the one getting roflstomped.

All that said I think the game can be a great game with a unique mix of gameplay elements, that make it a huge hit. At worst it's propably a good space combat simulator you can play on the side. It's just that all I've heard so far is a pretty laughable sales pitch from an old legend, that shows little, but promises everything in order to get the funding for it's making secured. I think WC was his one big success in gaming and he killed it himself with the god awful film adaptation. His games afterwards have been good to decent, but even in the space combat simulation -genre others have delivered games just as good and even better than he ever did IMO.

I really don't see this having much of an impact on EVE, had he been smart he would have talked specifically about how the Crime and Justice system was planned to work, as well as really how much freedom the players were going to have. That was really....sort of off putting as I do not know if it will be as open ended as EVE or if it will be open ended in the sense that you can fly around freely but all the in-game items are sold by NPC with no players doing any real building or driving of the in-game economy. Also, player controlled space and how the PVP system would work. Also they mentioned different classes of ships but if it's a Black Prophecy small ship fest with no player controlled Cruisers/Battleships/Carriers/ect I'm pretty much automatically disinterested.

Also asking for so much money before you have anything to really show for it kind of set off my scam radar but that is another story. (Also could have has something to do with the over grandiose vision/pitch they put out there)

Thanks to google I do now

I don't care who he is, I know his game are famous but that is about it. I simply did not like how he presented himself in his video. More mannerisms that anything, they simply struck me as odd. That's not to mention they hinged things like community updates on how much cash they brought in during the crowd funding stage, if you really cared about the community you were trying to create regular updates showing off the game and giving regular status updates is simply something you do no matter what.




Anyone can whip up a tiny trial area and start asking for cash.

Yeah, he only produced films like Lord of War and created the biggest spaceship computer game ever. No reason to take him at his word. It's a much better idea to be paranoid of someone because they're talking in front of a blue screen (which was done quite well, tbh).

Chris Roberts + Wing Commander + Bigger.


Signed up and bumped him some cash.

/crosses fingers