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CSM7 - Transparency: Where is it?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2012-11-10 08:56:34 UTC
I hereby promise that, should I be elected to CSM8, I will not respond to a single* Poetic Stanzel post relating to the CSM




*Disclaimer: unless he makes an interesting or relevent post.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#42 - 2012-11-12 13:30:33 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
CCP should tell us when NDAs end, because I feel that the CSM uses it as an excuse to avoid criticism, even when they're probably no longer is in effect. We have only their word to trust. I'd prefer CCP tell us when certain NDAs have dropped, so if the CSM refuses to talk on a subject, we know why.


The NDA's that the CSM members sign are effective for five (5) years.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-11-12 20:18:03 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
CCP should tell us when NDAs end, because I feel that the CSM uses it as an excuse to avoid criticism, even when they're probably no longer is in effect. We have only their word to trust. I'd prefer CCP tell us when certain NDAs have dropped, so if the CSM refuses to talk on a subject, we know why.
The NDA's that the CSM members sign are effective for five (5) years.
So, you're not allowed to talk about the new Bounty System for five years?
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#44 - 2012-11-13 00:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Milton Middleson
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
CCP should tell us when NDAs end, because I feel that the CSM uses it as an excuse to avoid criticism, even when they're probably no longer is in effect. We have only their word to trust. I'd prefer CCP tell us when certain NDAs have dropped, so if the CSM refuses to talk on a subject, we know why.
The NDA's that the CSM members sign are effective for five (5) years.
So, you're not allowed to talk about the new Bounty System for five years?

No, it means the NDA is effective for five years.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-11-13 00:39:04 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
CCP should tell us when NDAs end, because I feel that the CSM uses it as an excuse to avoid criticism, even when they're probably no longer is in effect. We have only their word to trust. I'd prefer CCP tell us when certain NDAs have dropped, so if the CSM refuses to talk on a subject, we know why.
The NDA's that the CSM members sign are effective for five (5) years.
So, you're not allowed to talk about the new Bounty System for five years?
No, it means the NDA is effective for five years.
But they weren't allowed to talk about the bounty system while it was under development, because of the NDA.

I'm just saying, there comes a point where development comes out of the purview of the NDA, and the CSM can talk about it.

I'd like to see the CSM start talking about development that's been devblogged, because it seems at that point, they should be free to talk about it, give their honest opinions of it, etc.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-11-13 01:24:06 UTC
Poetic, I'm going to vote for you when you run for CSM8 just to see if you will do all the things that you bust the chops of the CSM over.

I mean, c'mon m8, I admire your passion and obvious desire to be involved, but this isn't a RL parliament or something. This is an unpaid, volunteer group of our fellow players giving their time to the game we all like.

This is a fun game, but it is still just a game.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-11-13 04:20:00 UTC
Tech3ZH wrote:
This is an unpaid, volunteer group of our fellow players giving their time to the game we all like.
Would it kill them to tell the people they voted for how they feel about the features CCP are rolling out?
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#48 - 2012-11-13 05:58:53 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Milton Middleson wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
CCP should tell us when NDAs end, because I feel that the CSM uses it as an excuse to avoid criticism, even when they're probably no longer is in effect. We have only their word to trust. I'd prefer CCP tell us when certain NDAs have dropped, so if the CSM refuses to talk on a subject, we know why.
The NDA's that the CSM members sign are effective for five (5) years.
So, you're not allowed to talk about the new Bounty System for five years?
No, it means the NDA is effective for five years.
But they weren't allowed to talk about the bounty system while it was under development, because of the NDA.

I'm just saying, there comes a point where development comes out of the purview of the NDA, and the CSM can talk about it.

I'd like to see the CSM start talking about development that's been devblogged, because it seems at that point, they should be free to talk about it, give their honest opinions of it, etc.

They can't talk about it while the NDA is active until they are told they can. Please go research NDAs before laying blame every which way.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-11-13 07:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Poetic, if you actually care about the specific limitations or scope of the NDA, you might as well just get in touch with CCP (a la Nicolo Di'Vicenza during the vote reform nonsense), since it's clear at this point the CSM isn't interested in addressing that point at all.

Of course, that's assuming you can find a way to work that into yet another pompous self-serving blog post that will no doubt end up crossposted here.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-11-13 08:11:06 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Of course, that's assuming you can find a way to work that into yet another pompous self-serving blog post that will no doubt end up crossposted here.
It's good to be able to look forward to nice things.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-11-13 14:55:33 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Of course, that's assuming you can find a way to work that into yet another pompous self-serving blog post that will no doubt end up crossposted here.
It's good to be able to look forward to nice things.

Thanksgiving and Christmas?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2012-11-13 15:10:25 UTC
Or even shutupmas

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#53 - 2012-11-13 16:32:27 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tech3ZH wrote:
This is an unpaid, volunteer group of our fellow players giving their time to the game we all like.
Would it kill them to tell the people they voted for how they feel about the features CCP are rolling out?

someone doesnt listen to the podcast ;p

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-11-13 20:25:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tech3ZH wrote:
This is an unpaid, volunteer group of our fellow players giving their time to the game we all like.
Would it kill them to tell the people they voted for how they feel about the features CCP are rolling out?
someone doesnt listen to the podcast ;p
I've listened to your podcast twice (once when you had Ripard and once when you had Pinky as guests), but your voice grates the hell on my nerves. It has a very whiny quality to it. Anytime you get excited about something, it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

But you know what ... the forums are where you connect with the most number of players. I doubt even 10% of the players that you can reach on the forums even listen to your (or know you have a) podcast.
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#55 - 2012-11-13 21:34:28 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tech3ZH wrote:
This is an unpaid, volunteer group of our fellow players giving their time to the game we all like.
Would it kill them to tell the people they voted for how they feel about the features CCP are rolling out?
someone doesnt listen to the podcast ;p
I've listened to your podcast twice (once when you had Ripard and once when you had Pinky as guests), but your voice grates the hell on my nerves. It has a very whiny quality to it. Anytime you get excited about something, it's like nails on a chalkboard.

But you know what ... the forums are where you connect with the most number of players. I doubt even 10% of the players that you can reach on the forums even listen to your (or know you have a) podcast.

Let's be clear here, you're launching some kind of a smear campaign over the fact that elected representatives aren't being transparent about things that would be illegal for them to be transparent about, and for being transparent about the things that they can in a media format that you don't like? I'm just trying to sum all this up.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#56 - 2012-11-13 22:26:03 UTC
So I'll make this offer. If you'd like to provide a list of what you want my (and I mean MY, not the CSMs) opinion about I'm happy to answer. Feel free to ask for as much or as little detail as you'd like. I'm currently likely one of the least interesting CSMs at the moment but I'm happy to share what I think about Eve now and in the future with anyone interested in reading it. And again, this are my opinions and also in no way reflect how the other CSM should choose to communicate.

By the way I started to try and blog and after virtually NO visits I decided not to continue. If someone wants me to try that again let me know.

So the floor is open for questions. :-)

Issler
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-13 22:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
Let's be clear here, you're launching some kind of a smear campaign over the fact that elected representatives aren't being transparent about things that would be illegal for them to be transparent about, and for being transparent about the things that they can in a media format that you don't like? I'm just trying to sum all this up.


Not to defend him, but he'd probably settle for "actually sharing their opinion on upcoming announced game changes without having to be shamed into doing it". Even if he wants more, that'd probably be a good place to start.

Issler Dainze wrote:
So I'll make this offer. If you'd like to provide a list of what you want my (and I mean MY, not the CSMs) opinion about I'm happy to answer.


I'll start!

"Retribution"

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-11-13 23:10:32 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
He'd probably settle for "actually sharing their opinion on upcoming announced game changes without having to be shamed into doing it". Even if he wants more, that'd probably be a good place to start.
Exactly what I'm asking for.

I'm not asking for their opinion on POS revamp development, because that hasn't been released by CCP, thus still under heavy NDA.

Bounties, Crimewatch, new UI elements, faction warfare changes, etc. have all been talked about by CCP in devblogs, thus I can't see any problem with the CSM now discussing the content of those devblogs and weighing in with their actual opinions on the announced changes.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-11-13 23:12:21 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
So the floor is open for questions. :-)

You opinions on:

Bounties
Crimewatch
Faction Warfare changes
Ship Rebalancing
The UI updates

Give specific examples where you're keen on the changes, and where you have reservations or are downright annoyed with the changes.


PS When are you joining faction warfare?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#60 - 2012-11-14 08:29:23 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
So the floor is open for questions. :-)

You opinions on:

Bounties
Crimewatch
Faction Warfare changes
Ship Rebalancing
The UI updates

Give specific examples where you're keen on the changes, and where you have reservations or are downright annoyed with the changes.


PS When are you joining faction warfare?


Quick answer of the last question (I want to spend a little more time on the rest).

My alt corp and alt combat characters are in FW now. Look for Denze Ezzle and the Freespacer Confederation to be in the Mim side. Also putting another alt in the fray as part the Ammar to try and understand how the experiences differ.

I'll have answers for the rest tomorrow (heading to bed as my new job has early morning hours).

Issler