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Why do we no longer get any economic blogs, stats, or jack from CCP anymore?

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2012-10-09 08:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
when was the last QEN? when was CCP Diagoras' last tweet? when was the last DEV blog about the economy?
PLEX prices are are exploding... FW tier 5 Monty Haul campaigns are occuring more then once a week... & what else is happening? heck if I knowQuestion
The silence is deafeningCry
Is there a reason the state of the economy has beeen silenced from CCP since summer onQuestion
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#2 - 2012-10-09 08:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
I guess after PLEX hits 700-800 million in the next week we might hear a peep at least?
Then again sticking your head in the groud may be better then the truth about the economy?
If the tourney PLEX auctionforces prices to 750 million plus will Dr E's confiscated 10,000PLEX fund cut in?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#3 - 2012-10-09 08:24:12 UTC
If we got repeated QENs over years of healthy EVE growth I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#4 - 2012-10-09 08:29:38 UTC
You don't want to know. Blink
Tinja Soikutsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-09 08:33:54 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
when was the last QEN? when was CCP Diagoras' last tweet? when was the last DEV blog about the economy?
PLEX prices are are exploding... FW tier 5 Monty Haul campaigns are occuring more then once a week... & what else is happening? heck if I knowQuestion
The silence is deafeningCry
Is there a reason the state of the economy has beeen silenced from CCP since summer onQuestion


There's another thread about this already. the CCP Dev who did the tweets no longer works for CCP.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#6 - 2012-10-09 08:41:18 UTC
Because they're the developers EVE deserves, but not the ones it needs right now.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Nanatoa
#7 - 2012-10-09 08:42:40 UTC
So the one guy at CCP who said "no pay to win" has moved on to greener pastures?

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#8 - 2012-10-09 17:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
You don't want to know. Blink


That is what I am scared of. Silence is not good Straight
Economic vacuum leads to more PLEX speculation
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ginger Barbarella
#9 - 2012-10-09 17:56:04 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
when was the last QEN? when was CCP Diagoras' last tweet? when was the last DEV blog about the economy?
PLEX prices are are exploding... FW tier 5 Monty Haul campaigns are occuring more then once a week... & what else is happening? heck if I knowQuestion
The silence is deafeningCry
Is there a reason the state of the economy has beeen silenced from CCP since summer onQuestion


Too much hard partying by the big office folks at CCP Games.

That, and they realized it was causing them too much trouble, so they stopped.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#10 - 2012-10-09 17:56:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
duplicate post
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-10-09 18:03:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
when was the last QEN? when was CCP Diagoras' last tweet? when was the last DEV blog about the economy?
PLEX prices are are exploding... FW tier 5 Monty Haul campaigns are occuring more then once a week... & what else is happening? heck if I knowQuestion
The silence is deafeningCry
Is there a reason the state of the economy has beeen silenced from CCP since summer onQuestion

It's funny that you're complaining about "FW Monty Haul campaigns" which introduce less ISK into the economy than the incursions you were supporting (FW has no ISK payouts, incursions have minor isk payouts).


  • QENs were halted because CCP judged they were too much effort for too little gain (and they were somewhat misleading anyway).
  • CCP Diagoras no longer works at CCP.
  • Dev blog about economy... Were they really that frequent to begin with? At least CCP is en route to fixing things that break the economy, like FW.


PLEX prices exploded due to:

  • Inflation due to ISK devaluation from more money flow (in this case because of FW, same as it was happening due to incursions)
  • Resculpt-for-PLEX
  • Speculation that they will rise even more (possible crash in prices incoming at some point?)
  • Who knows what else?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#12 - 2012-10-10 01:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Petrus Blackshell wrote:



  • QENs were halted because CCP judged they were too much effort for too little gain (and they were somewhat misleading anyway).
  • CCP Diagoras no longer works at CCP.
  • Dev blog about economy... Were they really that frequent to begin with? At least CCP is en route to fixing things that break the economy, like FW.



  • QENs little gain? I'm still using alot of the info in figuring populations. Right now though its getting soo old that usable info/stats are deteriorating many estimates even when I am trying to patch what Dr E said in the last fanfest by squinting at the yoube powerpoint presentation he made.
  • About time to hire his replacement don't you think? How many statisticians/economistsdoes CCP employ now 1?
  • They were alot more frequent I recall firtyear I played




  • Petrus Blackshell wrote:


    PLEX prices exploded due to:
    [list]
  • Inflation due to ISK devaluation from more money flow (in this case because of FW, same as it was happening due to incursions)
  • Resculpt-for-PLEX
  • Speculation that they will rise even more (possible crash in prices incoming at some point?)
  • Who knows what else?


You forgot speculation over the $10,000 Tourney PLEX auction in your list
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-10-10 01:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
DarthNefarius wrote:
QENs little gain? I'm still using alot of the info in figuring populations. Right now though its getting soo old that usable info/stats are deteriorating many estimates even when I am trying to patch what Dr E said in the last fanfest by squinting at the yoube powerpoint presentation he made.

Just citing what they said about cutting QENs, bro. Not saying I agree or disagree.

DarthNefarius wrote:
You forgot speculation over the $10,000 Tourney PLEX auction in your list

You're right, I did. Because it's terrible and I don't really care (some big assnozzle "pro pvper" will game it all anyway).

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-10 02:00:47 UTC
CCP currently has two economists hired, DrEyog and CCP Nothin, who will be responsible for the Dust514 economy

eve still has a massive problem with too much ISK entering the game, FW farming is not responsible for this, it only redisribution

Dust might change that, but we have to see how the economies will interact before making a conclusion. the beta currently does not not tell much in that regard, i still don't know where to invest my ISK before launch :(
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2012-10-10 02:30:40 UTC
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QENs were halted because CCP judged they were too much effort for too little gain (and they were somewhat misleading anyway).


Anyone that thinks that the QEN's were ditched for any other reason than the mass Exodus during Incarna has some intellectual growing up to do. It crippled the game, and it took CCP a year to admit it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#16 - 2012-10-10 03:04:29 UTC
Dude... enough w/ the PLEX. Read this... not to self quote...

A QEN isn't going to help w/ winter. Look at devblogs. Too many changes.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
#17 - 2012-10-10 03:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacabon Mere
Ccp don't want to prove themselves wrong with their "the only mmo that has grown every year" bollocks.

Capital Storm is recruiting Aussies for Lowsec pvp and money making. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame. www.capitalstorm.net

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2012-10-10 03:58:59 UTC
Dust players will have a 450 mill NPC seeded buy order for Plex forcing us to use that as a competition template.

Did I make that up? Maybe.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#19 - 2012-10-10 04:48:00 UTC
If you examine most entities that want to control their denizens / citizens, an uninformed public is the best situation to control them. The one thing propaganda teams have a hard time dealing with are facts. However, in the absence of facts, well-crafted lies repeated in force, coupled with the suppression of any dissent, like we see constantly on the forums, will be accepted as "truth" by the masses.
We all know of many examples. One that comes to mind involved a certain country attacking another country on the pre-text of the victim country having some nasty toys. The citizens of the attacking country were driven into a froth with lies and suppression of truth, a truth that did not come out until it the massacre was all over.

I would suggest that one can consider the CCP player community as a group of citizens of an area called Eve. The one difference is that we can simply walk away, but so many of us have so much time and emotion invested in the game, that we have great difficulty walking away.

By eliminating the dissemination of facts, the null sec zealots within CCP (yes, there is indeed an element that exist inside CCP), co-ordinating with the null sec propaganda teams, especially the goon sponsored teams, you have the perfect situation to control the masses.

Orwell would be nodding his head with recognition if he examined the current relationships between CCP, CSM, and the null sec alliances.

Sure, this is "just a game", but as I said, many many people treat it as far more than a game.
And when people get that emotionally invested, then anything goes to advance one faction's agenda over others.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-10-10 04:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cipher Jones wrote:
Anyone that thinks that the QEN's were ditched for any other reason than the mass Exodus during Incarna has some intellectual growing up to do. It crippled the game, and it took CCP a year to admit it.
Ehm… chronology is an interesting concept.

QENs were discontinued in 2010, with the last one covering Q4 of that year.
Incarna happened in the summer of 2011.
The exodus started after Incursion (not to say that it didn't pick up a lot of speed due to Incarna).

So yeah, no. Incarna was not the reason for ditching the QENs.
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