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Shield Talos versus drones.
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-09 01:59:34 UTC
So my new favorite solo pvp ship is the shield talos, It can two shot frigs (unless they orbit you) , its dps versus anything and everything is nuts, and its fast as hell. The only downside is im rather squishy and I am somewhat ignorant of the true mechanics of drones which have quite nice range seeing as they can move and I can't hurt since I carry ECM drones. Im very used to flying more static and tanky brawling ships like a armor cane or mega.

I have heard that drones turn off their mwd when they get close and am wondering if/how I can kite the drones of say a 1/2/2 myrm or one that carriers 5 hammerheads. If i pulse my mwd will I just ignore them and go lol? If im always moving will they always stagger when they try to shoot me? Can i totally ignore their damage or is it just highly mitigated?

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Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#2 - 2012-10-09 10:05:42 UTC
A good weapon against drones are own drones (as long as you carry damage drones with you).
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#3 - 2012-10-09 10:31:28 UTC
Yeah, carry a flight of Warrior II to counter their ECM/Dmg Drones.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#4 - 2012-10-09 13:06:56 UTC
and watch garmon's solo talos video.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-09 16:10:58 UTC
I do not roll with damage drones, I like to carry a flight of EC-300's to escape from that one frigate who gets close to me and causes me a 200 point loss.

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Nayl Mkoll
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#6 - 2012-10-09 18:26:55 UTC
Yes it is personal preference. But I always take damage drones in a talos solo. I usually only take ECM drones in slower brawlier ships when I'm going to an area where I might get blobbed by drakes with ecm drones ::coughcough:: imperial legion space ::cough:: since usually these ships have a web/scram to help deal with frigs... but lately Ive only taken damage drones.

But back to the talos, I like the damage drones for 2 reasons at least, one was already mentioned for taking out enemy drones, especially enemy ecm drones.. and for dealing with frigs taht dont get instapopped by your first volley. At 4k-ish volley damage you generally will instapop most t1 frigs (and you really should get at least one volley off before their under your guns as you should never be starting a fight at 0 with a frigate. But assuming you've winged that frigate with your first volley but they get under ur guns they should be in /pretty dam close to structure, poop ur light drones sick them on him and turn your blasters on something tastier. Really in a talos if your at the point where you need ecm drones... you've already lost...
Commander Ted
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Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-09 18:33:46 UTC
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
Yes it is personal preference. But I always take damage drones in a talos solo. I usually only take ECM drones in slower brawlier ships when I'm going to an area where I might get blobbed by drakes with ecm drones ::coughcough:: imperial legion space ::cough:: since usually these ships have a web/scram to help deal with frigs... but lately Ive only taken damage drones.

But back to the talos, I like the damage drones for 2 reasons at least, one was already mentioned for taking out enemy drones, especially enemy ecm drones.. and for dealing with frigs taht dont get instapopped by your first volley. At 4k-ish volley damage you generally will instapop most t1 frigs (and you really should get at least one volley off before their under your guns as you should never be starting a fight at 0 with a frigate. But assuming you've winged that frigate with your first volley but they get under ur guns they should be in /pretty dam close to structure, poop ur light drones sick them on him and turn your blasters on something tastier. Really in a talos if your at the point where you need ecm drones... you've already lost...


What if I **** up and land closer to a frigate I expected to be farther away from? A flight of ec-300's will essentially neuter that frigate long enough to escape and not loose 200 points on battleclinic. What if I warp to a gate with a t1 tackler orbiting me on one side and the other has one or two of his interceptor friends, EC's are the only answer.

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Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-09 19:33:16 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
Yes it is personal preference. But I always take damage drones in a talos solo. I usually only take ECM drones in slower brawlier ships when I'm going to an area where I might get blobbed by drakes with ecm drones ::coughcough:: imperial legion space ::cough:: since usually these ships have a web/scram to help deal with frigs... but lately Ive only taken damage drones.

But back to the talos, I like the damage drones for 2 reasons at least, one was already mentioned for taking out enemy drones, especially enemy ecm drones.. and for dealing with frigs taht dont get instapopped by your first volley. At 4k-ish volley damage you generally will instapop most t1 frigs (and you really should get at least one volley off before their under your guns as you should never be starting a fight at 0 with a frigate. But assuming you've winged that frigate with your first volley but they get under ur guns they should be in /pretty dam close to structure, poop ur light drones sick them on him and turn your blasters on something tastier. Really in a talos if your at the point where you need ecm drones... you've already lost...


What if I **** up and land closer to a frigate I expected to be farther away from? A flight of ec-300's will essentially neuter that frigate long enough to escape and not loose 200 points on battleclinic. What if I warp to a gate with a t1 tackler orbiting me on one side and the other has one or two of his interceptor friends, EC's are the only answer.



Dont **** up? Every example you listed has a counter. And further more it all banks on ur ecm drones jaming on the first cycle:

Q-"What if I **** up and land closer to a frigate I expected to be farther away from?"
A- 1 OH MWD cycle away from the frigate will give you plenty of room to clear away from him enough to get a blap off and either instapop him or finish him with warriors. even if that frig pilot is on the ball you will get your MWD cycle off before he can turn it off with a scram / web cause he will have to lock you so even if he gets those points on you before you lock him he'll have to approach you to catch up. he'll have low transversal one volley should send him packing.

Q- "What if I warp to a gate with a t1 tackler orbiting me on one side and the other has one or two of his interceptor friends,"
so many options of what to do in this scenario.... on top of the fact that if there are 3 frigs spred out on either side of the gate ec drones really arnt going to do much to help you regardless. learn how to split enemies with agression. if you landed on the gate let that t1 orbiter agress you. jump into the others, odds are at least one of them is far enough away, or more than liekly the are both on the gate and your 12-15km away, one mwd cycle away and blap blap before the other one can jump the gate from agression.

a talos with damage drones is very capable in dispatching frigates and light tackle, if you wanna fly solo you gotta learn how to split up groups. and your much more versital and flexible with damage drones.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-10-10 03:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cedo Nulli
Commander Ted wrote:
I do not roll with damage drones, I like to carry a flight of EC-300's to escape from that one frigate who gets close to me and causes me a 200 point loss.


Commander Ted wrote:
to escape and not loose 200 points on battleclinic


Roll
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-11 20:15:09 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:
and watch garmon's solo talos video.


Don't forget to take into account his Tengu/Loki boosters, HG Snakes, Quafe Zero, and perfect skills.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#11 - 2012-10-11 22:27:40 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:
and watch garmon's solo talos video.


Don't forget to take into account his Tengu/Loki boosters, HG Snakes, Quafe Zero, and perfect skills.


the talos video was without all of that extra stuff. It was not equal to his other vids(with boosters and expensive ass mods) but a very nice in regards to flying and picking a fight with talos.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#12 - 2012-10-11 22:52:34 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
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What if I **** up and land closer to a frigate I expected to be farther away from? A flight of ec-300's will essentially neuter that frigate long enough to escape and not loose 200 points on battleclinic. What if I warp to a gate with a t1 tackler orbiting me on one side and the other has one or two of his interceptor friends, EC's are the only answer.



If your Battleclinic score is your priority, you are already doing it wrong. You WILL lose ships. There will always be a hard counter to you, or a bad landing, or a better player, or a higher skilled pilot, or someone boosted, etc.

Set it up the best you can, and go from there, go for more wins than losses, but do NOT worry about those losses, learn from them instead and move on.

I agree with the above about using damage drones vs frigs.

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#13 - 2012-10-12 05:15:16 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
What if I **** up and land closer to a frigate I expected to be farther away from? A flight of ec-300's will


die very quickly to frigate weapons. This is a gamble (ECM) multiplied by another gamble (that this frigate will not know to kill a Talos's drones right off, whatever kind of drone they are).
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2012-10-12 09:04:24 UTC
There is one thing you simply need to accept. In the end of the day your Talos will die. You can't do anything against it (except for leaving the ship in the hangar). If you have bad luck you will find a competent pilot flying a frigate who will close the range fast, scram you and then simply orbit you at close range. If he is competent he will kill your ECM or whatever drones and then take you down slowly and kill you even solo.

However, don't waste your time trying to counter the most worst situation you might get in if it has a low probability. Make sure that you kill as much as possible until the inevitable happens.
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#15 - 2012-10-12 12:04:42 UTC
Got to agree with Zyella and Meditril even though the latter is in TRIAD :P



You need to either realise that points on BC are not a measure of how much fun you have or go join an alliance where all you need to do is orbit the anchor and f1 while shiptoasting in local and trolling COAD about how great you are/bad they are.



Take the Talos out and fly it like you stole it, enjoy it while learning what you can and can't do, enjoy killing in it AND losing it, embrace the fact you will die in it and try to find out where you went wrong and if you could of done something a bit diferent.

Always be mindful of the fact luck plays a big part in solo/small gang pvp and there is often a way out of dodge or a way to kill somehting while you dying and as a last resort make sure you overheat everything so they get a repair bill on the loot.

Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#16 - 2012-10-12 17:14:56 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:
Got to agree with Zyella and Meditril even though the latter is in TRIAD :P



You need to either realise that points on BC are not a measure of how much fun you have or go join an alliance where all you need to do is orbit the anchor and f1 while shiptoasting in local and trolling COAD about how great you are/bad they are.



Take the Talos out and fly it like you stole it, enjoy it while learning what you can and can't do, enjoy killing in it AND losing it, embrace the fact you will die in it and try to find out where you went wrong and if you could of done something a bit diferent.

Always be mindful of the fact luck plays a big part in solo/small gang pvp and there is often a way out of dodge or a way to kill somehting while you dying and as a last resort make sure you overheat everything so they get a repair bill on the loot.



^ This.

A game you can play that I enjoy:

Whenever I get in a new ship for pvp, I put a number behind the ship name. The higher the number, the more I have killed with it. Had a punisher named Roulette XIII. Was extremely proud of the fact I had gotten 13 kills out of it before it went down.

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-10-13 00:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
While i have been convinced I should have damage drones I find it extremely unlikely a frigate isn't going to be jammed once by my ECM drones before he pops them unless he is very lucky. Also my initial question of being able to kite medium drones was never answered.

Also why is everyone making a big deal that i care about point on battleclinic. I have fun playing this game and I also like having a massive epeen.

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inVictu5
Cruisers Crew
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-10-13 04:15:16 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
So my new favorite solo pvp ship is the shield talos, It can two shot frigs (unless they orbit you) , its dps versus anything and everything is nuts, and its fast as hell. The only downside is im rather squishy and I am somewhat ignorant of the true mechanics of drones which have quite nice range seeing as they can move and I can't hurt since I carry ECM drones. Im very used to flying more static and tanky brawling ships like a armor cane or mega.

I have heard that drones turn off their mwd when they get close and am wondering if/how I can kite the drones of say a 1/2/2 myrm or one that carriers 5 hammerheads. If i pulse my mwd will I just ignore them and go lol? If im always moving will they always stagger when they try to shoot me? Can i totally ignore their damage or is it just highly mitigated?


You talked a big game in local. lol noob. How do drones work.. gtfo


Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-10-13 11:25:50 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
I also like having a massive epeen.




Roll
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-13 20:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
inVictu5 wrote:

You talked a big game in local. lol noob. How do drones work.. gtfo




Sorry Mr. I only died because of docking lag despite still having a minute left of docking aggression.

I shouldn't need to clarify that im asking a more subtle question about drone mechanics and have to deal with some toad who picked the wrong fight and got butthurt.

Threads went to **** a long time ago and got off topic, done here.

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