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Specific Examples of Where Risk Should Be Inserted Successfully Into High-sec

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-10-09 12:47:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I'm not the one who keeps repeating "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec"... Roll
…nor is anyone else (except you), but you are the one making claims you cannot prove.

So once again, your fallacies are piling up quite nicely and end up showing that you are pretty much incapable of posting anything that is even remotely close to something that might, with a downright enormous amount of luck, be considered to have a minute chance of being even partially correct.


Can you prove "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec" is not true?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#162 - 2012-10-09 12:50:05 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Can you prove "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec" is not true?
Strawman and onus probandi. You made the claim — you prove it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#163 - 2012-10-09 12:51:55 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Oh, I see that this has devolved into another miner qq thread. My apologies.

Mining does have the biggest problem when it comes to risk so its not all that shocking its the one to come up. Even the most militant miner will admit its a very unexciting activity.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-10-09 13:01:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
You made the claim — you prove it.


Did I?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1450495#post1450495

And many others including you Drop.
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#165 - 2012-10-09 13:04:01 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Get the NPC money out of empire. Level 3 and 4 missions all move to low and null, only veldspar available in .5+ systems, etc...

Will solve *most* problems.


Yep, like the 'How to Get Rid of a Decent Portion of the Playerbase' problem.

In relative to nulsec ratting, hisec ratting is fine. Considering that there are places in nulsec where ratting is virtually a risk-free, isk-printing operation, I don't even understand how anyone can take the claim that hisec ratting is unbalanced seriously. If it were really that EASY and LUCRATIVE, everyone would be doing it.

Moving 3s and 4s out of hisec is not only a stupid solution, its also a transparent attempt at implementing a system of entitlement to those too lazy or cowardly to find fights on their own. Eve is not a welfare state,
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Gun Gal
Dark Club
#166 - 2012-10-09 13:05:17 UTC
Here's a good suggestion: why don't you,OP, and everyone else who wants to screw over people in highsec **** off
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#167 - 2012-10-09 13:05:32 UTC
Smiknight wrote:
Eve is not a welfare state

LOL

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#168 - 2012-10-09 13:06:23 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Did I?
Yes. See the top of the previous page.

Quote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1450495#post1450495
This link shows Ruby demonstrating why a Hulk couldn't be ganked profitably. This only serves to illustrate why your argument is a strawman and doesn't help you prove your claim.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2012-10-09 13:06:49 UTC
Just ignore this fool. The guy is just trying to derail the thread and does nothing but lie.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#170 - 2012-10-09 13:08:24 UTC
EvE stopped being a sandbox when CONCORD came around to punish people for playing EvE the way it was meant to be played.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2012-10-09 13:09:56 UTC
Smiknight wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Get the NPC money out of empire. Level 3 and 4 missions all move to low and null, only veldspar available in .5+ systems, etc...

Will solve *most* problems.


Yep, like the 'How to Get Rid of a Decent Portion of the Playerbase' problem.

In relative to nulsec ratting, hisec ratting is fine. Considering that there are places in nulsec where ratting is virtually a risk-free, isk-printing operation, I don't even understand how anyone can take the claim that hisec ratting is unbalanced seriously. If it were really that EASY and LUCRATIVE, everyone would be doing it.

Moving 3s and 4s out of hisec is not only a stupid solution, its also a transparent attempt at implementing a system of entitlement to those too lazy or cowardly to find fights on their own. Eve is not a welfare state,

Just about everyone does do high sec level 4s but I agree. Moving them to low isnt the answer.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-10-09 13:13:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
This link shows Ruby demonstrating why a Hulk couldn't be ganked profitably.


If you read it again you probably notice that Ruby demonstrates how you gank tanked Hulk profitably.

Well, 2,5M / ganker but still profit.
Hecate Shaw
United Freemerchants Society
#173 - 2012-10-09 13:17:53 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tinja Soikutsu wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tinja Soikutsu wrote:
Honestly up until now been a lowbie 'carebare' myself... more because I've been wanting to get a handle on the game before plunging into any sort of PvP myself. But last couple of days been giving serious thought to exploring or even outright moving into lowsec as a pirate or bounty hunter.

No matter what the bleeding-heart carebear apologists tell you, that is objectively the wrong way to play. You fall into this mental trap where every day it's "well, I better get some more money first" or "well, I better train up some more skills first." It will never end. I've killed bears who played for 5-7 years who still had that attitude. And I don't think I've ever met a person who actually went through with the transition after such a long period of time. I'm sure they're out there, but I'd still rather bet on winning the lotto.

Seriously, if you don't get over the fear of losing a frigate now, it will be much worse later on when someone doesn't give you a choice about losing a faction-fit navy mission-running BS. Seriously, I've given old players their first losses like that, and they ended up quitting the game despite having so much cash and assets in reserve.


Ahh, was talking more about learning the basics of the game. Not afraid of losing stuff I can easily replace... just not wanting to die is pure ignorance about the game... but have learned enough to start seriously considering it now.

I'm serious, no level of knowledge is too small to start pvping. Also, you'll learn much faster actually doing it, than just doing bear stuff and reading the forums. You'll be running out of hard drive space in your brain trying to process all the information. Even now, after eight years, I still get stuck in processing mode after each fight, even after winning, for hours thinking stuff like "okay, why did he take me to quarter shields, that should have been impossible given the scenario, time to look at combat logs."
I think you are seriously missing the point. Just out of curiosity, how do you fund your PvP? When you lose a ship, implants, etc, how do you pay to replace them? Do you never use implants and let your skills train that slowly? One assumes not...so where do you get the isk for all your PvP activities?
Pipa Porto
#174 - 2012-10-09 13:19:41 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
Here's a good suggestion: why don't you,OP, and everyone else who wants to screw over people in highsec **** off.


Make. Us.

Stop crying to CCP to do it for you, man up and do it yourself. We've been teaching you how to do so for months.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#175 - 2012-10-09 13:20:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
If you read it again you probably notice that Ruby demonstrates how you gank tanked Hulk profitably.
…except that the “how” equates to “not at all unless someone is paying extra for it, and even then it's easy to avoid”.

So no, he demonstrates that it's not profitable. Anything else you want to be wrong about? Maybe you'd like to invent something that, as always, fails to prove your claim rather than try to change the subject?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-10-09 13:21:22 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Stop crying to CCP to do it for you, man up and do it yourself. We've been teaching you how to do so for months.


I could say same to you too.

My Skiff is still on station ready to be ganked when you are ready.
Pipa Porto
#177 - 2012-10-09 13:21:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
This link shows Ruby demonstrating why a Hulk couldn't be ganked profitably.


If you read it again you probably notice that Ruby demonstrates how you gank tanked Hulk profitably.

Well, 2,5M / ganker but still profit.


Nope. There's no profit, there's just collecting a bounty. There's a difference.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Josef Djugashvilis
#178 - 2012-10-09 13:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
baltec1 wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Oh, I see that this has devolved into another miner qq thread. My apologies.

Mining does have the biggest problem when it comes to risk so its not all that shocking its the one to come up. Even the most militant miner will admit its a very unexciting activity.


Militant miner?

oxymoronBig smile

This is not a signature.
Pipa Porto
#179 - 2012-10-09 13:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Stop crying to CCP to do it for you, man up and do it yourself. We've been teaching you how to do so for months.


I could say same to you too.

My Skiff is still on station ready to be ganked when you are ready.


And like I keep saying, gankers don't do things to piss away their ISK just to be contrary.

Is your Skiff as imaginary as your sell order for 1000 units of 200k ISK Catalysts?

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
If you want to complain about "they'll bring more ships" find me the killmail a brick tanked Hulk that was Suicide Ganked.


That's been done in many threads.

You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.


Find Me. The Killmail. Of a Brick Tanked Hulk. That you Claim. We Ignore.

Or.

Stop.

Lying.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#180 - 2012-10-09 13:25:49 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
And like I keep saying, gankers don't do things to piss away their ISK just to be contrary.


Challenge is too tough for you?