EVE General Discussion

Then why is everyone so quick to point out the already low and falling prices of high-end materials? These claims are made very, very commonly by high-sec miners in claims of "the grass is greener..."

Most of it has continued from a finite base supply dump?

So the prices keep going lower even after the supply was dumped due to speculation?

So the supply keeps going up and we see that in continued losses in value?

I rest my case.

It doesn't assume the supply was depleted. Actually, quite the contrary.

It assumes that because prices continue to fall, supply is being added faster than the surplus can be liquidated.

So while your interpretation of what's happening is correct, your interpretation of why is mistaken.

You forget the endless supply faucet that we are constantly reminded of in the form of the drone regions.

Players were mining with their guns 12 months ago, Touval. Your point is moot and your argument is flawed.

If materials are deflated in value, there is no incentive for new miners to harvest them.

So it matters to everybody, not just today's miners.

So utterly selfish to ignore this for a quick easy ISK or two.

No I have not forgotten the drone nerf. Best thing that ever happened.

My point is that when Trit (for example) WAS 2 isk, nobody cared. Miners mined and Gankers ganked.

It's an artificial market in an artificial world with an artificial supply that is reborn after every DT. The suppliers are not at fault. The gankers do not need a buff to become a market modifier (and I've said this countless times).

If CCP ever actually start to worry about deflation - if it is sustained and hurting the game - it's but a few lines of code to bring the supply into the domain of real resource finiity to match RL simulated markets.

The question you need to ask is at what price that should occur and how long should it remain before it is deemed a problem.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME - it is NOT, I repeat, NOT an issue.

Trying to tie your belief in what OTHER players should be subject to - using markets as a justification - is just plain wrong and I have said exactly that a million times.

No, what I'm saying is that restricting ANOTHER players enjoyment and using the market as justification is wrong. Been saying it for weeks.

If ganking is fun, gank for fun. If ganking is supposed to be a profitable profession and it's now not profitable, do something else.

And you keep harping about aligning. It strikes me the argument is more about butt-hurt than addressing this problem that doesn't actually exist (I will concede, yet).

And by butt-hurt.....

I have 2 boys under the age of 5. I buy 2 things exactly the same for each of them and yet they still fight over their toys.

Boy #1 takes Boy #2 toy. He doesn't want it, he doesn't need it and he doesn't actually play with it.

He just doesn't want Boy #2 to have it.

THAT's what we're seeing here.

Probably because it's easier for CCP to adapt for them (by buffing) and just make you adapt to the fact you've been nerfed.

This is such nonsense. I'm going to block you, but first I'm going to respond to this utter tripe.

Firstly, it is a precedent in Eve Online that every capsuleer is responsible for their own safety. It is also true that real, functional tools have always existed to allow miners to perform their role in safety. They repeatedly refused to do so, instead attacking the niche profession on the forums that developed as a direct result of miners' failure to adapt while they consistently and predictibly continued to fail to meet the responsibilities required for their own personal safety in this game.

Secondly, taking a weaker opponent's knight or queen in chess isn't seen as bullying. Taking a weaker checkers opponent's checker isn't seen as bullying. Playing a difficult combination of letters in Scrabble against an opponent with a weaker vocabulary isn't considered bullying. Somehow, though, the rules change in Eve Online. But only, I repeat only, for high-sec miners. Everybody else follows the rules that make sense.

Finally, you dismiss my legitimate arguments as illegitimate and make an emotional appeal on the behalf of the poor, defenseless miners who have no alternative but to be slaughtered like sheep. The picture you paint is deliberately inaccurate. You dismiss my reasonable arguments and make emotional appeals instead. That the players are real is obvious, in some cases, when they aren't bots. That the current low-risk environment caters to AFK PVE you never even bother to address, despite CCP's aggressive insistence that it has no place in this game.

So thank you for finally giving me a good reason to block you. Your insipid, weak arguments and homiletics will not be missed, nor will the strawmen you so favor to argue against.

Consider this thought experiment.


A miner, mines all day, takes his minerals to market, sells them for a profit.

The person who bought those minerals, refined them, and manufactured ammo with the minerals.

The ammo, gets bought by a hauler, and taken to a hub, and sold for profit.

The ganker, bought the ammo, loaded them into his guns, and by pure chance suicide ganks the original Miner in question.

If the miner, knew his own goods had a hand in his demise, what responsibility should he take in this particular scenario considering his role?

It's clearly the miner's fault