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Specific Examples of Where Risk Should Be Inserted Successfully Into High-sec

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#181 - 2012-10-09 13:28:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Challenge is too tough for you?
So you're just lying, then.

Well, that was expected, but at least now it's been established for certain. Goodie (or well… not goodie at all — you really should stop doing that).
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#182 - 2012-10-09 13:30:31 UTC
Hecate Shaw wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'm serious, no level of knowledge is too small to start pvping. Also, you'll learn much faster actually doing it, than just doing bear stuff and reading the forums. You'll be running out of hard drive space in your brain trying to process all the information. Even now, after eight years, I still get stuck in processing mode after each fight, even after winning, for hours thinking stuff like "okay, why did he take me to quarter shields, that should have been impossible given the scenario, time to look at combat logs."
I think you are seriously missing the point. Just out of curiosity, how do you fund your PvP? When you lose a ship, implants, etc, how do you pay to replace them? Do you never use implants and let your skills train that slowly? One assumes not...so where do you get the isk for all your PvP activities?

Most of my ISK today comes from loot, ransoms, and contract fees from mercenary jobs in empire/WH space. Granted, I rarely take losses in empire, but I do have other characters that do non-high-sec pvp stuff and get funded by my high-sec pvp activities. When I absolutely do need quick cash, I do wormhole anomalies.

I know what you're getting at, but you also have to remember that my stuff costs much more than a 1-month-old newbie's. Hangars full of pirate battleships and T3s, with the implants to support them, are absolutely required if you want to do high-sec pvp on a professional scale. Meanwhile, the noobie who is flying frigates or cruisers can pay for a dozen replacements by being part of just one victorious battle. On top of that, most pvp-focused corporations would flat-out pay for those ships, since they're so cheap. I never said that he has to pvp alone.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-10-09 13:32:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So you're just lying, then.


Nope.

No wonder why gankers say Skiff is useless when they don't even want to gank it...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#184 - 2012-10-09 13:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Nope.
So present the proof to support your claim.
Until you do, you're just a liar. The more you try to dodge it, the bigger a liar you grow into (and you're astronomically large in that department already).
Pipa Porto
#185 - 2012-10-09 13:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So you're just lying, then.


Nope.

No wonder why gankers say Skiff is useless when they don't even want to gank it...


Nope. The Skiff is useless because the Mackinaw is already unprofitable to gank. That's why some 90% of the miners in the belts are in Macks.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
If you want to complain about "they'll bring more ships" find me the killmail a brick tanked Hulk that was Suicide Ganked.


That's been done in many threads.

You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.


Find Me. The Killmail. Of a Brick Tanked Hulk. That you Claim. We Ignore.

Or.

Stop.

Lying.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#186 - 2012-10-09 13:38:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So present the proof to support your claim.


Just tell me when you want to gank it.

You can choose time and system.

Requirements:
- 1.0 security level
- I can use my boosting alt
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#187 - 2012-10-09 13:40:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Just tell me when you want to gank it.
So you're still refusing to present any proof.
You're still just lying and you're content with making yourself a bigger liar.

Dodging the question does not alter this course you've picked.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#188 - 2012-10-09 13:41:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Just tell me when you want to gank it.
So you're still refusing to present any proof.
You're still just lying and you're content with making yourself a bigger liar.

Dodging the question does not alter this course you've picked.


Do you want to gank my Skiff or not?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#189 - 2012-10-09 13:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Do you want to gank my Skiff or not?
So you're still refusing to present any proof.
You're still just lying and you're content with making yourself a bigger liar.

Dodging the question does not alter this course you've picked. Present the proof to support your claim or continue to prove that you are a liar — your choice.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#190 - 2012-10-09 13:45:04 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Oh, I see that this has devolved into another miner qq thread. My apologies.

Mining does have the biggest problem when it comes to risk so its not all that shocking its the one to come up. Even the most militant miner will admit its a very unexciting activity.


Militant miner?

oxymoronBig smile

It a term from my home town. We used to have 3 pits and the phraze kinda stuck from the miners strikes
Josef Djugashvilis
#191 - 2012-10-09 13:46:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Nope.
So present the proof to support your claim.
Until you do, you're just a liar. The more you try to dodge it, the bigger a liar you grow into (and you're astronomically large in that department already).


Tippia, perhaps you should calm down before you post.

Being rude gets no one anywhere.

You have enough knowledge of the game to be better than this.

This is not a signature.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#192 - 2012-10-09 13:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Tippia, perhaps you should calm down before you post.
I'm calmer than a lake on a windless day. I'm just trying to get Jorma to stop lying and for once — just once, even if it's only accidentally and completely unintentionally — to say something that is actually true.

I don't particularly see how it's rude to ask him to stick to reality instead of constantly injecting his feverish dreams as a (lack of) support for whatever nonsense he wish to dribble today…

The fact that I have enough knowledge about the game to know that he's lying is exactly why I'm trying to make him utter at least a syllable of truth.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#193 - 2012-10-09 13:59:05 UTC
People come here and post threads like these for what purpose? What is the hidden agenda? Part of the problem is most players don’t want fair competition.

This was never more so obvious by all the tears from all the school yard bullies when the exhumer buffs hit.

It’s not about risk vs. reward it’s about CCP removing their easy kills. If these people wanted real competition they would stay in low and null space and have their fun. If these places are so much damn fun why are they so determined to drag players from hi-sec into their space? If low/null is so much damn fun then why are they killing miners in hi-sec and not having fair competition with each other in low/null? They don’t want fair competition they just want easy kills.

Part of the problem is almost everyone and their brother are alliance in null. They have nothing to do so now they feel they need to get the easy targets from hi-sec to their own fracked up space that they themselves have created. Clean up your own yard before you come to sheet in mine.

People that have established themselves in low/null want a lot from hi-sec people that are happy with what they have. You can’t force people to play the way you want, if these people want to try low/null then they will. If they don’t then they won’t. Doesn’t get much simpler than that.

Low/null players have fracked up their own space don’t let em frack up hi-sec. You guys gate camp and kill players that try to come thru and all for what? A few easy kills. You have made your bed now sleep in it.


People want to have their cake and eat it too. They want their easy kills and they don’t others to have the ability to make money. You chose null/low no one forces you stay, no one forces you to keep that second account going in high sec to fund you losses, no one forces you to play the way you choose to play.


Bottom line is you guys have fracked up and exploited your own space till its sheet to be part of so now you feel the need to do the same to hi-sec. Good luck because if or when you get your way I won’t have any part of it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#194 - 2012-10-09 14:01:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Tippia, perhaps you should calm down before you post.
I'm calmer than a lake on a windless day. I'm just trying to get Jorma to stop lying and for once — just once, even if it's only accidentally and completely unintentionally — to say something that is actually true.

I don't particularly see how it's rude to ask him to stick to reality instead of constantly injecting his feverish dreams as a (lack of) support for whatever nonsense he wish to dribble today…

The fact that I have enough knowledge about the game to know that he's lying is exactly why I'm trying to make him utter at least a syllable of truth.

Best to just ignore him. Everyone already knows he does nothing but lie.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#195 - 2012-10-09 14:02:10 UTC
WIS should be - if anything - dangerous. Barfights, ganks et cetera...People with low sec status would have to get "clean papers" in High sec stations...bribe station security...
People with High sec-status would have to be carefull in low sec stations to not talk to the wrong exotic dancer...
If there are no "risky" features in WIS it would be boring...

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#196 - 2012-10-09 14:04:29 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
High sec spawns are insulting and an embarrassment to this game almost on level with faction warfare farming which is beyond embarrassing.



Those are proportional to rewards available there.

Why don't you compare with low/null sec belts with rats from 15k isk to several millions, faction spawn and officer spawns?

Risk vs reward, you can't mine much interesting stuff in high sec so it's balanced. If veldspar and scordite hit reccords levels it's probably because null sec does not the right thing, they have gazillions/trillions of isk in belts but rather buy cheapo guns in high sec and reprocess those in null to get minerals from, very few actually mine.
This is the real problem of high sec balance, not the other way around.

Instead of keeping safely alt corporations and characters in high sec profiting from high sec safety just get them to null sec and then go give lessons to high sec players, until then who ever knows how null sec functions or at least has a nice approach of it will be smiling with this kind of fake argument.

brb
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#197 - 2012-10-09 14:06:57 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People come here and post threads like these for what purpose? What is the hidden agenda? Part of the problem is most players don’t want fair competition.

This was never more so obvious by all the tears from all the school yard bullies when the exhumer buffs hit.

It’s not about risk vs. reward it’s about CCP removing their easy kills. If these people wanted real competition they would stay in low and null space and have their fun. If these places are so much damn fun why are they so determined to drag players from hi-sec into their space? If low/null is so much damn fun then why are they killing miners in hi-sec and not having fair competition with each other in low/null? They don’t want fair competition they just want easy kills.

Part of the problem is almost everyone and their brother are alliance in null. They have nothing to do so now they feel they need to get the easy targets from hi-sec to their own fracked up space that they themselves have created. Clean up your own yard before you come to sheet in mine.

People that have established themselves in low/null want a lot from hi-sec people that are happy with what they have. You can’t force people to play the way you want, if these people want to try low/null then they will. If they don’t then they won’t. Doesn’t get much simpler than that.

Low/null players have fracked up their own space don’t let em frack up hi-sec. You guys gate camp and kill players that try to come thru and all for what? A few easy kills. You have made your bed now sleep in it.


People want to have their cake and eat it too. They want their easy kills and they don’t others to have the ability to make money. You chose null/low no one forces you stay, no one forces you to keep that second account going in high sec to fund you losses, no one forces you to play the way you choose to play.


Bottom line is you guys have fracked up and exploited your own space till its sheet to be part of so now you feel the need to do the same to hi-sec. Good luck because if or when you get your way I won’t have any part of it.

This post is so full of irony.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#198 - 2012-10-09 14:40:54 UTC
I'm still waiting for an actual justification for the introduction of risk for hi-sec miners from the "would love nothing more than to gank the miners for lolz" crowd in this topic.

If they AFK mine enough... they will have 0 risk with 0 profit/reward to match..... I don't see the issue here....

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#199 - 2012-10-09 14:51:22 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
I'm still waiting for an actual justification for the introduction of risk for hi-sec miners from the "would love nothing more than to gank the miners for lolz" crowd in this topic.

If they AFK mine enough... they will have 0 risk with 0 profit/reward to match..... I don't see the issue here....

Well when they were getting ganked miners also enjoyed the best profits they have ever seen which is a rather nice thing. It also removed a great deal of bots which is also great for everyone.

But risk for miners doesnt have to be only from pvp.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#200 - 2012-10-09 15:01:45 UTC

I almost posted in yet another NERF HIGHSEC thread.
Oh wait, I did.


There's a whole bunch of ex-Null Vets who have moved to Highsec. Not because it's "safe", but coming from them - "It's far less politics and drama-llama's"

Errr.

This fracking Highsec/Nullsec crap just never ends.
Blah blah blah, move all missions levels 3 and up to low, blah blah, move mining to to low, just veldspar in 0.5, blah blah. remove Concord everywhere, blah blah, force people to jump through low in order to move from one part of Highsec to another, blah blah.

F*** it just never ends.


Thank God I play this game and don't give a **** to these posts, other than to slate them, no matter how well they appear to be rationalised for their content and intent.

Old. Boring and tedious.

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