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PLEX Over 600m now....

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-10-11 20:48:08 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Hafa Anstian wrote:


Vaule != demand/supply

Price = C + I +G + X - M

Your lack of knowledge of economics is astounding, while applying keynesian models to eve isnt fool proof. It is vastly superior to using wrong formulas

Not saying Darth Whatever is right, but the formula you posted is for calculating GDP.

Consumption + investment + government spending + exports - imports = GDP. Not applicable to the price of PLEX.

In what universe is value not equal to demand divided by supply?

It is the very picture of economic modeling.

Go ahead, if you're an economist, give it a whirl and see what predictions you can make!

You'll find it to be entirely accurate, as every other economist has. Ever.


I predict plex prices will rise through the winter then start declining.

How do I know this? I'm psychic! Shocked

Don't argue with me or I'll eat your brain

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#302 - 2012-10-11 20:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Hafa Anstian wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I didn't even read any of your post.

I was merely pointing that Hafa was 100% incorrect in claiming the GDP formula is used to calculate the price of something. It stood out like a sore thumb and I couldn't not comment.



Price index's and Price are the same thing.

Plex being a market good it is exactly the same formula.

You posted the Keynesian formula for calculating Gross Domestic Product.

That formula is used to calculate the total value of goods and services produced in an economy in a given year, not used for calculating the price of a single good. Consumer price index != GDP either.

It's a macroeconomic formula, whereas the formulas involved for a single good would be microeconomic.
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#303 - 2012-10-11 21:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Miner
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Hafa Anstian wrote:


Vaule != demand/supply

Price = C + I +G + X - M

Your lack of knowledge of economics is astounding, while applying keynesian models to eve isnt fool proof. It is vastly superior to using wrong formulas

Not saying Darth Whatever is right, but the formula you posted is for calculating GDP.

Consumption + investment + government spending + exports - imports = GDP. Not applicable to the price of PLEX.


I believe his name is Darth Internet Economist, PhD.

He boosts his own ego with getting confused on how to explain supply and demand, it's pretty awesome :)
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-10-11 22:28:21 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

I predict plex prices will rise through the winter then start declining.

How do I know this? I'm psychic! Shocked

Don't argue with me or I'll eat your brain



I think you might starve on that diet.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#305 - 2012-10-11 22:34:34 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
[quote=Hrothgar Nilsson]

I believe his name is Darth Internet Economist, PhD.

He boosts his own ego with getting confused on how to explain supply and demand, it's pretty awesome :)


Cut him some slack. It's hard to say how much ISK he lost when expander rigs tanked.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#306 - 2012-10-11 22:42:30 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

I predict plex prices will rise through the winter then start declining.

How do I know this? I'm psychic! Shocked

Don't argue with me or I'll eat your brain



I think you might starve on that diet.


But my figure looks great Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#307 - 2012-10-11 23:25:29 UTC
Azitek wrote:
Lets say you can make 40 mil/hour running lvl 4's. That's 15 hours a month, or less than 4 hours a week. Even at 30 mil/hour, that's only 5 hours a week, which I'd call the "casual" range. It seems like a PLEX per month shouldn't be affordable to "casual" players, but perhaps I'm wrong here.

And honestly, if you put some effort into finding passive/semi-passive ISK sources, most people can still afford a PLEX per account per month if they want.


I'm gonna need the location of this agent of opulence, mmmkay? Thanks.

Seriously, the most I have ever seen from one mission was about 60 mil, and that's the Angel/Guristas Extravaganza. Lvl 4s are not the showers of isk that everyone makes them out to be. Trust me, last night I pulled in just under 7 million from bounties and mission rewards on one mission. Small fries, not Big Macs all the time here.

Now, as far as PLEX is concerned, there will come a point when it would be cheaper to just sub up than continue to buy PLEX. It would behoove CCP (who at one time intimated a possible moment of interference if PLEX prices got too high) to remember that while the PLEX is about $17 a pop, a sub is $15 for those who want to keep playing for more than trying to farm enough money to buy an item that gives them more game time. I'm there in that group, and sadly, only one of the two accounts that I have will survive that transition if it becomes a necessity. I love Eve, but I won't play it like WoW just to scrape up the funds to buy more time to do the same thing again.

I imagine that there is a point where people will say 'Enough is enough' and either quit or sub up, at which point, there will be a surplus of PLEX out there. Prices will drop and people will buy them again, most likely perpetuating the cycle of up and down for awhile to come. Personally, I think it has to do with the motto 'Greed is Good' more than a supply and demand issue. PLEX was quite stable for quite a period of time, and ever since March or April was the climb upwards. I even remember the posts made about it. Smile
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2012-10-11 23:36:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Andski wrote:
Power of Two and resculpts for PLEX seem to be the culprit for this recent spike.


Wrong again, Power of Two was around when Plexes were going for 250-300 mil son


So you're saying that PLEX were going for 250-300M less than two weeks ago? Huh, no they weren't, son.

I took advantage of Power of Two quite a while back. Then I played EVE for several months, and I was gone two weeks ago so I don't know what happened then. Did they come up with a new Power of Two that I'm not aware of?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#309 - 2012-10-11 23:39:20 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Andski wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Andski wrote:
Power of Two and resculpts for PLEX seem to be the culprit for this recent spike.


Wrong again, Power of Two was around when Plexes were going for 250-300 mil son


So you're saying that PLEX were going for 250-300M less than two weeks ago? Huh, no they weren't, son.

I took advantage of Power of Two quite a while back. Then I played EVE for several months, and I was gone two weeks ago so I don't know what happened then. Did they come up with a new Power of Two that I'm not aware of?

The offer is made intermittently.

Likely an effort to convey the notion, "Just stay tuned."

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Hrothgar Nilsson
#310 - 2012-10-11 23:40:54 UTC
sackofdung Sasen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#311 - 2012-10-12 00:03:29 UTC
I really feel sorry for the poor sucker who bought the 50 plex i bought at 494 for 640 yesterday tee hee. :) I love how some of these "experts" come on here saying 1 bill plexes by such and such date. Clearly a bubble, I mean cmon did you guys really think people first of all would pay 1 bill per plex and secondly people wouldnt just pull out thier credit cards to cash in on this? The volumes werent even out of wack to suggest a shortage. Just a huge bunch of hype. :)
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#312 - 2012-10-12 00:07:16 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
PLEX under 600m now...

587mil in Jita.

I just want to say thank you to all of those who recognize me for the prophet that I am. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#313 - 2012-10-12 02:50:50 UTC
So a PLEX promotion (with no discount) immediately before the weekend, after Gallente spiked T5.

How long will these prices last? Open Tournament bidding is next weekend: is it safe to assume that all interested parties have all the PLEX they intend to bid with already?
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#314 - 2012-10-12 03:36:44 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
So a PLEX promotion (with no discount) immediately before the weekend, after Gallente spiked T5.

How long will these prices last? Open Tournament bidding is next weekend: is it safe to assume that all interested parties have all the PLEX they intend to bid with already?


You mean the prices that have already crashed by more than 10%?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#315 - 2012-10-12 06:34:26 UTC
Until the next FW tier spike/cashout, yes I expect prices to settle. While CCP is promoting PLEX on the login screen, I expect prices to drop a few percent. It always works that way.

The steady rate of climb in the year long graph suggests that PLEX aren't going to fall below 560M any time soon. Perhaps there was enough pressure from the manipulators and the tournament bidders that there will be firesales over the weekend? I know many folks who are holding out on their imminent PLEX purchase in the hope that the super-600M price level is merely a speculative bubble.

So we will be happily running around being hisec carebears, watching the market intently over the weekend.
lusifaka
The Ascended Academy
#316 - 2012-10-12 07:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: lusifaka
PLEX wasdown now. best price is 570M