Market Discussions

so basically, you take my idea ~ make profit and possibly give me 30%?

Gonna troll and say Station trade, it works, guaranteed, or more basic - region trade! liek just go eve-central and look up two different regions buy stuffs sell in another

or if you don't really want to do anything with it, just buy minerals and sit on it ~ it will mature, eventually heh

Now about that 30%? ;)

Do you want suggestions public, or via PM?

Plan A: FW changes

(1) buy 50b worth of implants after the next FW cashout.
(2) wait for FW changes in Retribution
(3) sell implants for > 70b within a month after Retribution release
or
(3) OMG LP stockpiles

=> 10% interest per month, all eggs in one basket


Plan B: make Erotica 1 go out of business.


1. 208 -> 416 (net: +208)
2. 833 -> 2499 (net +1606)
3. 5000 -> 25000 (net +20000)
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total net: + 21812

21812 x 3 characters - cost of one PLEX (550) = 64890

Proof of concept

=> ~64.89b profit per account, at ~90 accounts (50b/550m) that is 5.8T ISK profit after just one month; what could possibly go wrong?

I am looking forward to my 30% share of your profits, easiest 2T I have ever earned

Invest in faction ships, especially Fleet Issue Stabbers - they are getting quite popular with the rise of the New Order.

SPot on i'd say

Retribution should bring some interesting changes. Faction officer tags for security standing will open up a whole new demand for a historically stagnant market. It's doubtful you would be able to invest 50bn isk into it as it is currently very small however i have successfully invested a chunk at about 500% profit. I don't really play enough any more to trade any more and the next time i will have time is after the patch.

I am assuming that you are fishing for information at the moment, otherwise you would have gotten VV to confirm the collateral, but i couldn;t really care less as i am not going to be investing more for the reasons i mentioned earlier.

Where?

Unless somone just burned 50bill on some strange PvP project, there will not be many people out there with no isk and the competency/experience to take 50bill and turn it into 70 bill. If you know how to do it, you will most likely already have done it.

Imo, this looks like a brag thread.

i have more than double that in isk so yeah i am bragging now

and if anyone knows how i make my isk, its getting boring so yeah i think there are people out there who want new ideas to make isk.

I have a plan I put together for setting up a network of reaction towers in a very dead low sec area. I will not give out the finer details on the forums, but I got the systems and moons picked out. Will place a few small towers in systems pulling low end moon goo just to see if any locals would bother to take them down. If they survive I will add my large towers and get some reactions going. If not I will move to another system on my list. All mats will be moved via Jump freighter.

It has been more time constraints than isk that have kept me from proceeding with my plan. I could raise the isk to get things moving, and then expand as the profits started rolling in. However as I said, i don't have enough time in game to support my plan and keep thing rolling smoothly.

I would be mining some lower end moon goo just to save space in the JF, but mostly will bring in raw GOO from a trade hub. perform simple and complex reactions. And haul the advanced materials back out. According to my calculations the profit margins are huge. There is big profit to be made off reactions even if all raw GOO is bought from trade hub sell orders. After calculating all POS fuel and logistics I am looking at 20% profit from simple reactions and an additional 30% on complex reactions. 50% total profit, and not huge logistics after the initial work of getting it all set up.

As It may be some time before I put this plan into motion myself, and the market will most likely change by then. I will say that I was planing on producing mats needed for gallente ships as the ORE exhumers use the same mats. These tend to move very well and profits could quickly be increased by adding exhumer production to the plan.

Although my plan involved some cheaper mats, at least to get things rolling. It will scale very well as the higher priced moon GOO mats seem to have even larger profit margins on the reactions. The more isk available to get things rolling the higher profits can be had.

It is easy to double your isk in only a few days or weeks when you are only talking about up to 1-2 bil. When you get up to 50 bil or more you can still make a couple bil per day, but can no longer double your isk reliably. To reach truly high profit margins on large volumes of isk, you need to look beyond station trading.

Moon mining, at least when talking about the higher end moons, is an alliance based activity. This is because those high end moons are hard to hold. You need a big fleet to defend them. But when only looking at the reactions, you no longer need a high end moon. A pirate see's a POS in low sec with a couple refining arrays on it they have no way of knowing if you are making sylramic fibers or Fullerides. And as long as you keep up on logistics you can avoid having to much stored at a single POS at any one time.

A lonely back water low sec system where you can make friends with the local FW pirates is quite a safe place to perform reactions. If you are no threat to either sides FW farming, and do not care if the system is flipped back and fourth. They will have no reason to evict you. Even in low sec taking down a large tower is boring and takes some work. If they have nothing to gain, they will not bother. If nobody wants your moon, you are careful to keep it from becoming a loot pinata, and you are in a low traffic system most pirates don't even bother jumping into, you are as safe as low sec can get.

50 bil would fund a set up that could easily double your isk in a month or so. You would even have enough left over to hire mercenaries to defend your POSes if needed. Although with my plan the loss of a POS could be easily absorbed as long as you never have more than 48 hours worth of mats in any one POS.

If you had 50bn isk you'd be a drop in the bucket in plexes.