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I would sure like to see this - making the UI seem glitchy probably isn't the ideal way to convey the message that time is behaving differently, certainly not camera control.

I'm seriously impressed though, really liking what I'm seeing.

At the same time I'm somewhat confused by the people hating on this. It seems to be coming from a place of ignorance so I wrote an article on EN24 that explains the fundamentals of what TiDi is actually trying to achieve in a way that I think is accessible to anyone (ie no Computer Science degree needed).

I'd really appreciate your feedback Veritas, especially if my generalisation conflicts with how the specifics in this case actually work.

Please no input lag.

Camera should point where I point it when I point it.
Anything else will just be annoying and confusing.

Have to say, I think this is a great idea. Anything that keeps eve semi playable in with a huge load on the node is a good thing, and making the lag affect (or effect - I can never remember which) everyone equally is a smart move.

But... PLEASE don't make the camera movement slow down! I have to echo the sentiments of others - this is not a needed feature, and I strongly hope that it is not implemented in the final release. Otherwise, again, great idea!

Make lag to get reinforcements. You fight at quarter speed, your enemy gets there 4 times faster if coming from other nod.

Will Jita be dilated all the time?

For fairness new ships coming into the grid should be put in a delay queue - stretch out that warping in effect and travel time.

If you do not -- ships that that should not have had time to travel to the battle (if the battle occurred at full speed) can totally reverse the balance of forces due to arriving during dilation. You could ambush an enemy with 3 times the ships in larger better quality fits but because the battle will take 15-20 minutes at high dilation...he might be able to call in huge numbers of ships from as far as 15 jumps away.

Basically the older the delay queue, the longer the delay for ships newly entering the queue. Roughly speaking the time in queue could computed by adding the dilation clock fraction every second to arrive at a cumulative total time since dilation began (thus 2 minutes of 50% dilation equals 1 minute hung in queue).

Yeah time in queue could get very boring especially for very huge battles. Time for the EVE mini-games. Actually there is only one reason you could not watch all the ongoing action and no way to prevent chat. An obvious cheat would be to have your best backup FCs arrive a bit late and they could conduct vocal ops from within the queue with temporary immunity from enemy fire. Sending target flagging via UI would be easy to block while in the delay queue though. The cheat effect is not much worse than a stealth FC.

i do not like the TIDI feature. if there is a TIDI feature it should not be full blown. it should only affect or slow down by 25% at max.

CCP SHOULD -->

1) reduce polygon count / improve GPU streamlining to improve video lag performance. and the way CCP have changed the way space looks, it doesnt look like space ... it too bright and you have too many useless cloud/debris artifacts in space that takes up GPU power. come on, even if we are not space geeks ... we see pictures of space before from star trek ... IT IS SPACE, dun try to picaso it with fluffy clouds.
2) improve network comms efficiency. you are prolly trying to send too much useless information in too many packets.
3) the ship graphics overlays are 1 of the many things that bottlenecks up the whole thing. obviously there is something very wrong with how the layers are being forced on the nurbs. simplicity would make things run faster. why would you want to spurt a red blob then ask the GPU to go over it 10000 times to make it look like a cloud ? its a disaster for the GPU. a lo res map with a few pass would do the effect even better.
4) TIDI should only be in force when too many players have too much latency differences when server is trying to sync actions across multiple platforms. and CCP should instead enforce a feature that allows delayed updates for said players with poor connections and therefore discourage poorly connected players from joining bigger fleets fights. a fleet fight is a fleet fight, if your PC/conn lags badly, u are ultimately killing ur own fun, there is the weakest link. then again, the eve game client has its own numerous problems in dealing with large clusters and GFX.

for example, you put on guns that animate. but in a battle. do we really look at it? guns on ships are EXPECTED, but it is a sadly grossly delayed feature which at this point only gives players a short lived YAY. it however ended up choking the GPU. and after 1 month, the F1-F8 icons seems like a pile of mud more than an actual 3D icon that you can really see properly WTH it was on it ( Mud?). cmon guys, wth is wrong with the creative direction? u want us to use a microscope to admire the guns while in battle? GUNs are meant to be obvious on pew pew ships, n the missile explosion ring is like the size of planets with a lousy ressed bitmap. geez i will fire who ever that approved this ( the CEO?).

so tell me again, is CCP trying to use TIDI (a mistake) to cover up more mistakes ???

come on guys.... do it right already .... or is the ceo under paying you? ( i can understand that)
you will not need TIDI, if you start to look deep into the foundation GFX issues and networks issues. WHY make GFX more complex by 100% when you do not see a 100% return on GFX visual improvement? you have to pay your engineers right to do it right CCP ... just do it already man ...

PROGRESS

People asked improvements about lag, talked about how this could be handled so large fleet engagements experience could be better, CCP is doing it and they're doing it the right way.

Props to you doing this job, props to CCP who's finally took the decision of doing the right thing about this matter.

Props to CSM work on this even if in some points I still disagree with you, what is right must be recognised has what is wrong.

Better Eve for bitvets, better Eve for newbs = good for "tha" game.

cool, now people can have even bigger fights

That works both ways and the focus will be on defeating the bad guys so you don't have to Tidi the server so bad.

Once you defeat the enemy it will become tactics to spread your forces into other systems and leave an optimal force that can do the most DPS with the least Tidi.

And anything is better than what it is now. A large fleet fight means jumping into a black screen and waking up to a new clone. This will assure that fights actually take place and the amount of tactics needed in high tidi situations will make the game far better than the few disadvantages it brings.

ohh wow... this sounds like a buthurt DRF or PL alt member! ohh cant take goons in their space cause they blob their systems cause they have a rediculous amount of people wanting to fight for their corner of eve.

newsflash genius, theres more than 1 way to kill an empire!


but back to serious spaceship tomfoolery, ill give u the numbers cause u obviously dont seem to understand how powerful TiDi is.

Currently Veritas has TiDi setup in a linear form because he's yet to see a fight that surpasses the upper limit he's set. Ill explain this now:

a typical node can host a 500-600 man battle with relatively no lag. reinforced and that goes to 800-900. at its current maximum level veritas has set a max limit of 10% time what that means is the normal node will reach the 10% time only at approx 2000. the reinforced node would reach 10% time with approx 3200 AND that would be happening with only very slight lag creeping inand NO DESYNCS, NO BLACK SCREENS.

so far the highest fleetfight in eves history was insanely laggy and had a bit under 3200 people in, it took HOURS just to load grid, it took HOURS to even fire your guns, let alone even know if you're doing damage! GOD help you if u wanted to change direction or lock a target, to even try and lock someone took HOURS more!

with TiDi, it may mean 10% time, but if it takes u 1 minute to lock a target, then OMG it may take u 10 minutes! not an hour and a half.


ohh and about the blobbing, its going to happen, you cannot stop people from participating and organising and teaming up against a common foe. Ive done it in big fleets killing only particular reds on grid and not others cause its been agreed upon to not fire on each other. no amount of caps on members, corp numbers, blue or light blue standings will change that.

u want a cap on the number of people in one place at one time, **** off back to wow where u obviously came from, stop crying about ur failures at playing a big boys game.