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The sad state of WH PvP

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-10-09 05:07:10 UTC
boooooooooooo

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Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#62 - 2012-10-09 05:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Soon Shin
Jack Miton wrote:
boooooooooooo


Well time to get back to the drawing board for my cloaky tackle with smartbomb, to gain aggression before Ctrl+Q is pressed.

EDIT: Soundwave wants to do something about "AFK Cloakers". Looks like CCP are bowing down to Carebears.
Ulam Stanislaw
#63 - 2012-10-09 06:20:24 UTC
No moongoo = No war
Cipreh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-10-09 07:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipreh
I think it is pretty funny to hear people complain about w-space PVP.

We live in a c2, with a static c4, and with only minor setup or planning, we are able to get decent fights several times a week. It might only be a few sniping ships trying to pick one of our scouts off, or a 10 man battlecruiser gang jumping into our fleet, trying to clear a route through their chain.

I have lived in deep w-space for months at a time, as well as a low class wormole for the majority of my eve career, and anyone who says there isn't enough targets is the victim of lazy scouts/fleets. It takes less then 10 minutes to collapse a wormhole, no matter what the size or mass on it. In deeper w-space it seems quieter, due to the large number of uninhabited class 5 wormholes, and the fact that those groups that live there and are capable of bringing a fight, will likely be fielding a good sized t3 fleet with logistics support, whether that is capitals, or just logistics cruisers. A lot of the smaller organizations have trouble fielding logistics with their gangs, if you can raise an average 8-10 man fleet, and need at least two of them as logistics, it drastically reduces your fleets ability to do damage.

I have found that if you want more people to fight you, leave the logi's at home. A lot of people won't even think of engaging a gang that has logistics support, if they don't have it themselves, it's a "deal-breaker" of sorts. Also a shiny T3 without a guardian babysitting it is a far more inviting target. (Not always the case, but usually when you are coming up against someone who you need to field logi's against, you will know it ahead of time.)

If people want to roll their statics for pew, start picking systems with low class statics, and try scanning from there. We get the best fights out of the corps from c1/2/3/4 inhabitants. They are far more likely to engage when they are sure that there isn't a pair of triage Archons or dreads cloaked on the other side of the wormhole waiting to ruin your day.

As far as the blobbing, as it was said before, it is a natural progression within the game, as corp and alliance sizes swell.

BUT, a lot of people are way too eager to call a fight a blob, when the numbers are unbalanced at all. So you see groups that are 15 v 20, or 6 v 10 where the outnumbered side screams blob, and hides in their shields. Those sorts of numbers are close enough that with skill, the right support ships, or even just a little luck, either side could come out ahead, but the fights aren't happening because "OMG! WE'RE OUTNUMBERED! IT'S A BLOB!"

Just today we fought a 10 man mixed BC gang with just 3 pilots. They were trying to haul through our system so we forced a fight by anchoring bubbles. We knew we were outnumbered, but we did it anyhow... and they brought the fight (Props to MASQUERADE. alliance.) It was a lot of fun, and we managed to kill one of them before being forced off the field. We skirmished with them a few more times before the route connecting us collapsed.

People today, particularly gamers, are far too used to instant gratification, and patience is the MOST important trait to have to succeed in wormholes.

My former CEO had a saying about it. "If you are bored in w-space, then you're probably a boring person."

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#65 - 2012-10-09 07:29:21 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
boooooooooooo
EDIT: Soundwave wants to do something about "AFK Cloakers". Looks like CCP are bowing down to Carebears.


Really? So the years of terrible nullbears crying and crying that their instant and infallible local tool just isn't powerful enough has finally got through to CCP?

Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-10-09 08:49:25 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
boooooooooooo
EDIT: Soundwave wants to do something about "AFK Cloakers". Looks like CCP are bowing down to Carebears.


Really? So the years of terrible nullbears crying and crying that their instant and infallible local tool just isn't powerful enough has finally got through to CCP?



Remove all the locals.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-10-09 11:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Wolvun wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
boooooooooooo
EDIT: Soundwave wants to do something about "AFK Cloakers". Looks like CCP are bowing down to Carebears.


Really? So the years of terrible nullbears crying and crying that their instant and infallible local tool just isn't powerful enough has finally got through to CCP?



Remove all the locals.


+1

PS: did someone ACTUALLY suggest moon goo in WHs???? yeah...cos WHs arent profitable enough as it...Roll

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-10-09 13:11:38 UTC
Just a few nights ago Black Legion. decided to come play in our C6 at 3 am US time. For half the fight only myself and Chitsa were online until we were able to get 2 more. But we accepted the fight! http://exhale.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14822980 (plus our archon, and a few t3's we managed to collapse out on there side.) Major props to Black Legion for bringing a small but white knuckle fight.

great fights too be had, for sure. Sometimes you just gotta go balls deep
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#69 - 2012-10-09 13:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Fremen
Jack Miton wrote:
yeah but that's older that the retraction Hidden Fremen was citing...


CCP Bittek spoke of it this weekend in Vegas. The 15 minute NPC aggression was a misprint.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#70 - 2012-10-09 13:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Fremen
Casirio wrote:
Just a few nights ago Black Legion. decided to come play in our C6 at 3 am US time. For half the fight only myself and Chitsa were online until we were able to get 2 more. But we accepted the fight! http://exhale.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14822980 (plus our archon, and a few t3's we managed to collapse out on there side.) Major props to Black Legion for bringing a small but white knuckle fight.

great fights too be had, for sure. Sometimes you just gotta go balls deep


Yes, please just go look for fights. Go balls deep. It's the best deep. Half the fun used to be going down the rabbit hole. Then you got big and now you can't be bothered to go beyond your static (this is to whoever complains they can't find caps to gank during chain-rolling "PvP"). I'd type more, but found myself seeing too many tl;dr posts myself.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#71 - 2012-10-09 14:28:41 UTC
Cipreh wrote:
~snip~

Best post I read in a long time.

.

Jelena Rudarka
Logistical Catastrophe
#72 - 2012-10-09 16:30:07 UTC
One of the reasons that I like eve and have come back to eve after dropping many other MMO's is because there is literally something for everyone here, if they choose to work for at and work at it, be it hardcore pvper or diehard carebear, or like me, something in between on any given day.

The idea that you have to work harder to "force" ( and I hate that word by the way ), me to fight you is perfectly legitimate I think. Afterall, what you are wanting to do is force me to play a style of game that I may not be in the mood for at that moment, for any number of reasons. Why should mechanics be changed in order to make it easier for you to force me to do something I don't feel like doing at that particular time?

I do like risk, I do like PVP, but I like to sometimes have a period of time where I can just chill and mine or rat till my eyes bleed while still making enough isk to pay for my accounts.

If changes are put in the game that assure that my ability to enjoy those periods of time are significantly reduced, in order to better sate your need for pew pew which you can get virutally ANYWHERE in Eve, that to me screams an imbalance that I think is rather unfair to those of us who are not sitting at the hardcore pvp'er end of the spectrum.

I think WH's are just fine just the way they are, personally.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-10-09 17:48:20 UTC
Jelena Rudarka wrote:


I do like risk, I do like PVP, but I like to sometimes have a period of time where I can just chill and mine or rat till my eyes bleed while still making enough isk to pay for my accounts.



Wormholes were never meant to be isolated risk free isk farming, its only through player 'ingenuity' that cap ships are invulnerable while escalating.

The 15 minute logoff timer probably was too long.

This is maybe the wrong forum to talk about it but basically the problem is this.

There should be some game mechanic so that if somewon loses connection for reasons outside of their control such as power cut, server crash, node crash or whatever they dont die and then bombard CCP with petitions. The problem is that people abuse this mechanic and treat it as a way to avoid PvP contact, it wasn't designed this way and is game breaking, not just in wormholes.

Im not a game designer, there are people paid by CCP to come up with ways to fix this. I do cap escalations aswell and ofc i would use this mechanic to save my caps since its not considered an exploit but i shouldnt be able to make 2-3 billion isk per hour (multiboxing) in 100% safety, cap escalations are probably safer than HS mining at this point.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#74 - 2012-10-09 17:50:42 UTC
Communities and environments change the higher up you go in wspace. What's fine for you where you reside is not fine for someone else somewhere else.
Killin Machine
Mr. Clean Corp..
#75 - 2012-10-09 23:11:29 UTC
I think it would be quite interesting if all the major WH alliances would band together for a weekend every so often and completely dominate an entire nullsec region. Once it's over, it's back to business as usual. We did it a few months back, did we not?

At least that would satiate some of the appetites that are hungry for good fights around here.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#76 - 2012-10-09 23:19:23 UTC
Didnt you heard?????











Titans

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#77 - 2012-10-10 00:12:05 UTC
Killin Machine wrote:
I think it would be quite interesting if all the major WH alliances would band together for a weekend every so often and completely dominate an entire nullsec region. Once it's over, it's back to business as usual. We did it a few months back, did we not?

At least that would satiate some of the appetites that are hungry for good fights around here.


Just not with frigates, please...
Killin Machine
Mr. Clean Corp..
#78 - 2012-10-10 00:22:19 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Killin Machine wrote:
I think it would be quite interesting if all the major WH alliances would band together for a weekend every so often and completely dominate an entire nullsec region. Once it's over, it's back to business as usual. We did it a few months back, did we not?

At least that would satiate some of the appetites that are hungry for good fights around here.


Just not with frigates, please...



Clearly.
Fromil
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-10-10 12:24:13 UTC
As to the OP...

We're always finding fights we shouldn't be fighting, or fights that we should have run from.. But we're rich and enjoy the sport of it.. Fights are out there, but I agree there could be more. I don't see how you can make it more balanced, and THB I don't really care, it's all part of the appeal of W-Space - the unknown, no local and the frontier life-style.

The key to increasing the PvP and life in general in WHs will be the rejigging of POS and Corp mechanics. More people = more people to shoot at. Plus the added benefit of actually encouraging people to move out to a WH because at the moment you have to be very trusting to let people into your corp and for people to overcome the "you will be robbed blind living in a WH" to actually move out here in the first place.

Ace Secunda
Element Extractors
#80 - 2012-10-10 13:26:01 UTC
There are a lot more people in WH's than there where when I started out and a lot more fights to be found, we are not having any issues.