Wormholes

Anyone who has ever tried to kill capitals escalating knows about these problems.

There are 2 major causes of this im not gonna list them here to give bears any more advice but anyone who has tried to kill them knows what they are, 1 of them is being fixed in the winter update thankfully but this is still not for months.

I can see why many PvP'ers leave for NS, why verge do NS roams all the time because there are so few targets in WH's, almost nobody wants to fight. Recently we come up against people who wont engage us with 2x our numbers and in their hole wormhole where they can field multiple caps. We chain collapse for hours and hours every day. Often 4-6 hours a day and most days we find nothing other than a gas miner.

The isk farmers know they cannot be touched. If their wormhole gets invaded they just move to another one, there is almost limitless amounts of empty C5's and C6's. There is no reason to invade somwons wormhole other than not liking them due to the emptyness. There should be some reason that makes some wormholes better than others, some reason to invade other than saying "i dont like you"

Some wormholes should have multiple statics, amazing PI, higher chance of sleepers sites spawning, better gas sites, better roids or anything that makes them worth fighting over. In nullsec its worth fighting so systems can be taxed, to get better moon minerals etc. In wormholes people only fight for short bursts of fun but there is nothing long term to do here apart from print isk without risk.

One which Elysian Empire tends to use themselves.

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You (Elysian) should tell them about that time you guys were 2x more than us in your hole and didnt engage while we were killing your tower and stealin your loot :)

this is the day when wh people became spoiled.

I think a large part of it is that people in WHs tend to fly ships orders of magnitude more expensive than in nulllsec which makes them much more risk adverse.
Add to that the fact that you can almost always choose to only engage on your terms in WHs and it means a lot of people will not engage without feeling confident they know exactly what the enemy has and that they can beat it.
Top that off with the knowledge that in WHs you can virtually never know exactly what the enemy has and you start seeing the problem.

The other large part of it is that all the large players in WHs are well known and as such, many will not fight them on principle because they know they can't match them on numbers or ship quality.
This leads to the large players hiding their numbers as a matter of fact which cycles back into paranoia as people will always expect people like AHARM, Exhale or EE to have many more available ship sthat they openly show on field.

Hell, even my humble Tengu (which actually IS solo 98% of the time) rarely gets engaged in lowclass WHs when I find actives and try to pick fights unless they have hours to prepare the perfect counter, which then leads to me bailing as I'm not going to throw away billion ISK ships to people who outnumber me and are in ships they've spent 2 hours fitting out specifically to kill me.
However, when I was doing the same thing with a Hurricane a while back, I got fights very regularly.

Finally, everyone now knows how effective dreads are against subcaps so even the large players almost never engage each other in the enemy's home system due to blap dreads.

Yes, This is the state of WH PVP but I've never heard a single suggestion on how to fix it.
The PVE agro timers will resolve the cap farming log off issue which should lead to more fights.

Bottom line is that if you want more fights, don't fly around in fleets of 20 T3s and expect a dozen BCs to leave their POS and fight you, it's just unrealistic.

That said, I realize that 'ship down' is a concept no one in a position of power in WHs wants to hear about.

slim pickings yes, but I enjoy it for what it is. Spending those hours chain collapsing, planning, scouting, etc. sometimes only for a drake or two sometimes nothing, can be both rewarding and exhausting. But I like to go on low/null roams, mix things up. Thankfully w-space allows us to find new areas everyday. Sure there could be improvements, what I do not want is for things to fundamentally change, because that is why I am here in the first place.

I think I should also add that while what I said in my previous post is true, I wouldn't trade WH PVP for any other PVP anywhere in EVE.

True, too many people in w-space will not fight, ever, under any circumstances. Because they are just farmers and bears. But...


Also this. If you want more fights, leave your large alliances and go small. Make a pvp corp with 10 active pilots and no inactive or unused alts. That way you are and look small and more people will dare to engage.

The vast majority of systems is still inhabited by very small entities. Even if the corps are not small, often there are only a few of their members actually in the wormhole. Of course those people won't engage an alliance with 100 or 500 members! That would be just stupid.

If I see a guy from Exhale or EE, I assume that there are at least a dozen others I don't see. And usually that is completely correct

Which assumes you have nothing better to train instead as well. Even more fun this winter when you can no longer eject.