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Of Slaves and Freedom...

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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#41 - 2012-10-08 18:13:29 UTC
I do not See how Participating in the Destruction of Agricultural Projects to Improve the Ecology of Matar is a Sign that a Person Cares about the People of Matar.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#42 - 2012-10-08 19:06:50 UTC
I used to find these discussions amusing until it became blatantly clear that everyone has wrapped themselves in so much moral cloth of their own design that there's no hope of anyone seeing the naked truth.

I'll be blunt. Slaves are assets, they are resources, and they have simple, amoral value. We buy and sell them on open markets, and no one gives a **** what their names are or whether they have children, so long as they meet certain low standards of quality. Some of us dress the whole enterprise in the velvet cloth of religion. Others in the soothing silk of dire consequences if they are freed. But really, in the end, it really is all about money.

So please. Please! Stop pretending this is about anything else, all of you.

You so-called freedom fighters just don't get what you're actually doing. Someone earlier warned that a day of reckoning was near. I want you to think real hard for a minute about what that day might actual entail. You want people to stop trading in slaves? What happens to the value of a slave when they lose all utility? Why, they become liabilities of course.

Want to see what will happen the day it's not worth keeping slaves anymore? I promise you, no one is going to be travelling anywhere.

So what Meiyi is suggesting is pretty much the only chance all these billions of... people... have. Offer up some alternative form of value, something that will give people like me an actual incentive to stick all these asses on transports, on our dime, and ship them to the Republic.

I don't care if you don't think that's "fair". It is what it is. Deal with it, or admit that you don't actually care about these people any more than I do.
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#43 - 2012-10-08 23:12:12 UTC
How very disturbing it is to see so-called 'Amarrians' referring to slaves as if they were nothing more than something to be used to barter with the Republic.


Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#44 - 2012-10-08 23:26:13 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
How very disturbing it is to see so-called 'Amarrians' referring to slaves as if they were nothing more than something to be used to barter with the Republic.


Shock, horror, its not about scripture, who would have believed it.

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#45 - 2012-10-09 04:44:08 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
How very disturbing it is to see so-called 'Amarrians' referring to slaves as if they were nothing more than something to be used to barter with the Republic.


With all due respect, Mitara, it's not we in the Kingdom who insist on calling ourselves Amarrian.

And you're twisting my words. Slaves are far more important to both Kingdom and Empire than simply being bargaining chips. But if the Republic insists on damaging the institution to the point where it collapses - which, make no mistake, is their aim - then we should all be honest about it and make sure that everyone knows the full extent of the consequences.

Your Empress firing a warning shot at the Republic by releasing the 9th generation and above was clever, but a bluff. In the chaos that would ensue were slavery to end, there would be no mass migration of Minmatar.

The great irony is that this would leave the Republic in a much healthier position.
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