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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#21 - 2012-10-07 06:41:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Solution.
NPC Corp members can't anchor containers.

Hey presto, all solved. Now if they annoy you, you can go and wardec them to blow them up. If you don't want to wardec them, obviously they weren't really causing you any issues anyway.

What happens if a corp with GSCs anchored disbands?


GSC's start a 24 hour unanchor process or something like that. Gives a short time to recover them, otherwise, they become lost, same as if they hadn't been accessed recently. Also happens to increase turn over on them for industrialists.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-10-07 07:03:07 UTC
I feel griefed by this thread. Remove OP.

Permanently.
cheeze35
Brave soldiers from Uranus
#23 - 2012-10-07 07:09:22 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Therefore, as a ganker, I am as subject to griefing as any other profession.

No you're not. You create not only your own grief but that of others.

Darth Gustav wrote:

This is an utterly prejudiced and off-topic remark

No it isn't. It's fair and reasonable. You suggested GSC's were "griefing gankers".

And prejudice. Pfffttt... It's like a dealer blaming the cops if he gets his stash stolen. You strike me as the kind that would call them to lodge a complaint.

Besides, settle down. I'm still trying to figure out how a GSC can grief a ganker. Maybe CCP should make them tank or take it away or something - I don't know anymore.


Because real life analogies also cause lag in Eve Online and prevent specific module activation in a convenient "shield" configuration.


Why does it appear you're the only one whining about it?
And...another Mittens alt?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-10-07 07:18:16 UTC
Using the term "griefing gankers" basically killed any chance this thread had. I can agree that GSC's stopping smartbombs from being used is a stupid mechanic & miners are taking advantage of this, but you need to put the argument forth in a more reasonable way.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#25 - 2012-10-07 08:11:50 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Using the term "griefing gankers" basically killed any chance this thread had. I can agree that GSC's stopping smartbombs from being used is a stupid mechanic & miners are taking advantage of this, but you need to put the argument forth in a more reasonable way.

I'm not sure I see why. Are you saying that it's not possible to grief gankers?

This is Eve Online where gank play is legitimate play.

It's this whole profession, too.

But grief play is not. Even a ganker can be griefed.

Still, if there's a better way to frame the argument, by all means we need to do it. How else do you describe exploits preventing players from playing their game, though?

It's an exploit that targets gankers, therefore, gankers are being griefed by it.

It may seem silly, but the rules are just as applicable for miners as they are for, well, anybody else.

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Mallak Azaria
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Caldari State
#26 - 2012-10-07 08:14:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#27 - 2012-10-07 08:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too.

Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts.

As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.

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Mallak Azaria
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Caldari State
#28 - 2012-10-07 08:36:18 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too.

Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts.

As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.


My computer is nearly 7 years old & I don't experience any of that. What I can tell you is having 2 video cards doesn't work as advertised & you're no better off than you would be with just one, unless you're running multiple screens & have the hardware setup accordingly.

Littering space with hundred of GSC's is not reasonable, although this is probably something better discussed in the Features & Ideas section of the forum.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#29 - 2012-10-07 08:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too.

Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts.

As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.


My computer is nearly 7 years old & I don't experience any of that. What I can tell you is having 2 video cards doesn't work as advertised & you're no better off than you would be with just one, unless you're running multiple screens & have the hardware setup accordingly.

Littering space with hundred of GSC's is not reasonable, although this is probably something better discussed in the Features & Ideas section of the forum.


Too bad I didn't know about the video cards a year and a half ago. Oh well, I'm pretty sure that the problem is actually network-related anyway (when dealing with loading positions for inordinate amounts of junk), and my city has an idiotic exclusive contract with Charter. So there you go. Cry

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ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-10-07 08:57:25 UTC
As for graphics cards according to Futuremark's benchmarks, the Nvidia 670 is more than twice as fast as the 470 (which i currently use).

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-10-07 09:13:40 UTC
Griefing gankers? I have fond memories of ganking macks literally 10km away from a GSC called "Hulkageddon is starting now, don't mine here this month!"
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-10-07 09:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Vaal Erit wrote:
Griefing gankers? I have fond memories of ganking macks literally 10km away from a GSC called "Hulkageddon is starting now, don't mine here this month!"


Yes, but I bet you weren't using smartbombs. The argument being put forth is miners are using GSC's to block smartbombing attacks against clusters of exhumers. GSC's don't really need to be removed if that's the intention of the post as there is still many uses for them. The whole thing about not being able to use smartbombs near them needs to be removed.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#33 - 2012-10-07 09:23:10 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.

I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.

Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?

That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.

But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:

1) lag

2) griefing gankers

Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.

This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?


I agree good sir.

The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous!

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-10-07 10:39:54 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I agree good sir.

The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous!

And you don't find the concept of someone having the ability to magically and passively disable an entire weapons system without triggering any sort of aggression imbalanced?

It's extremely overpowered. The limitation needs to be removed.

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Sadayiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-10-07 10:49:32 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too.

Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts.

As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.



So let's see of i get the whole notion.

option A :
Miners put up GSC and stay near just to force the game mechanics to negate your Smartbomb device from activating since you would be atacking a neutral objetive right?

option B:
Or it's just you can't SB because you hit those cans prematurely and trigger Concordokken on you??

If it's A sure it should be adressed if it's B i'd say working as intended. IF YOU HAVE LAG ISSUES report it to CCP also i provide a link about the *official* answer about deploying debris/cans/wrecks/drones/bubbles to create lag measure and purpouse
Josef Djugashvilis
#36 - 2012-10-07 11:18:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I agree good sir.

The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous!

And you don't find the concept of someone having the ability to magically and passively disable an entire weapons system without triggering any sort of aggression imbalanced?

It's extremely overpowered. The limitation needs to be removed.


Actually, what I find interesting, is that miners are damned if they do not take steps to defend themselves, and now it would seem that they are damned if they do.

Perhaps a petition to CCP explaining why you considerr it an exploit might be the way to go?

I am a great believer that any player can do whatever they wish in the game, so long as CCP do not consider it an exploit.

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#37 - 2012-10-07 14:18:33 UTC

GSC's are left in ice belts as offerings to the ice that came before. Have some decency man...
Keno Skir
#38 - 2012-10-07 14:20:25 UTC
Ok it's funny that a ganker is asking for help, we all get it now.

Seriously tho i get what he's saying.

It's not that they are preventing him from griefing. It's that they are preventing him from griefing using deliberate lag, and using deliberate lag is already against the rules.

Fair point.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2012-10-07 14:35:15 UTC
If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.

If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.

This is hardly of concern.

Next.........................

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#40 - 2012-10-07 15:32:17 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.

If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.

This is hardly of concern.

Next.........................

What a relief that we have your opinion on this!

The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained.

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