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Lost a Navy Omen to a Harpy
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-10-06 00:34:58 UTC
I need some tips. I don't quite understand how I lost this fight. Seems like I could barely hit him the whole time even with my web on him and eventually I just ran out of cap. He had a small nos on me and I had tried neuting him with a small neut but I think it hurt me more than him.

Eventually I stopped firing my guns and tried to let my cap build a little so I could run the web and my guns at the same time for maximum effect but still I just barely scratched him. I kept approaching and then keeping at distance to minimize angular velocity but still no dice.

From looking at one of his recent losses it appears he runs an ancillary shield booster which would make sense from what I saw during the fight but I really don't think that was the main problem. Should I try tracking rigs? Was that just a fight I shouldn't have taken?
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-06 01:16:42 UTC
Was just looking over my fit. Apparently I had a med neut equipped and not a small. Was thinking I was flying another fit I had worked up. So I guess I neuted myself out trying in vain to drain his cap. But if your opponent has a nos should you not run the neut? Maybe I should equip ecm drones?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#3 - 2012-10-06 01:31:08 UTC
The problem was you were flying an omen. One of the least effective cruisers in the game.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2012-10-06 01:44:40 UTC
You capped out in an amarr ship? this is completely unbelievable and you should feel bad for the troll.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#5 - 2012-10-06 01:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sheynan
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2012-10-06 02:07:55 UTC
It is possible he had a tracking disrupter on. But I imagine he had duel ASB, prop mod, tackle. Whatever it was.. it worked. Props to him.

Your fit could be improved.
1 tracking enhancer
Repper or plate, but not both. If you can't fit a repper that out-reps frigate DPS, then don't fit one at all.

I love ecm drones, but I would think Hobs on a frigate would be a better choice.

I dunno dude. I think you just lost to a good pilot.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-10-06 02:26:42 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
It is possible he had a tracking disrupter on. But I imagine he had duel ASB, prop mod, tackle. Whatever it was.. it worked. Props to him.

No TD. I was watching for that.

RavenPaine wrote:
Your fit could be improved.
1 tracking enhancer
Repper or plate, but not both. If you can't fit a repper that out-reps frigate DPS, then don't fit one at all.

I love ecm drones, but I would think Hobs on a frigate would be a better choice.

I dunno dude. I think you just lost to a good pilot.


The reason for the small repper is to patch up scratches between plexes. I got the idea from Prometheus as shown in his fit here.
[Omen Navy Issue, Standard]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Hobgoblin II x5

Replacing it with another resistance plate wouldn't have helped in that fight. It wasn't a case of not having enough HP. It was a very long fight and I basically died the death of a thousand cuts.

I think part of the problem is I only have Amarr Cruiser 4 and until I raise that to 5 along with a couple of other skills I cannot get cap stable even with just my guns on. I can fix that problem but my inability to track him is what ultimately killed me and what I don't know how to fix.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#8 - 2012-10-06 03:30:56 UTC
as soon he is in his close orbit you have lost. A slasher can easily kill coercer and this ship has far better tracking. Omen just takes a bit longer. Dont let them come that close

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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-10-06 03:39:31 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
as soon he is in his close orbit you have lost. A slasher can easily kill coercer and this ship has far better tracking. Omen just takes a bit longer. Dont let them come that close


Yeah I thought about that. He was most likely dual prop fit too. I figured I needed to brawl because I have a scram fitted. Maybe I should have risked letting him get away. What about an AB fit for plex brawling like I'm doing? Omens just seem so vulnerable if they can't dictate range.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-06 06:20:58 UTC
med lasers are a very bad choice for shooting at frigs, their tracking blows.
i am not surprised at all by the results of your fight, as soon as the harpy gained a close orbit you were done.

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-10-06 10:13:11 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
med lasers are a very bad choice for shooting at frigs, their tracking blows.....

'Nuff said.

Only exception is the DLP Coercer, but then the destroyers have that godly tracking bonus. In general, laser boats are best used in tandem (read: gangs/fleets).
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-06 11:43:19 UTC
AB sig tank most likely, cap him out and align some where, once either his prop or his scram is lost you can burn out and blap him thanks to the reduced transversal by range and him following (hes very likely to orbiting at 500 meters)

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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-10-06 13:15:14 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
AB sig tank most likely, cap him out and align some where, once either his prop or his scram is lost you can burn out and blap him thanks to the reduced transversal by range and him following (hes very likely to orbiting at 500 meters)


So instead of manually piloting away and toward him I should just align to something, apply my neut and wait until his cap gives out and gives me a chance to pulse the MWD and blast him? I'm still tempted to give the AB fit a chance seeing how 99% of my fights are consensual and the omen is still slower than just about everything even with a MWD.

I have decided not to try to solo in this ship until I have Amarr Cruiser V, Propulsion Jamming V, and Fuel Conservation / Afterburner V if I go with an AB fit. Almost 13 mil SP and still in a frigate :(
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#14 - 2012-10-06 14:15:39 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:

I have decided not to try to solo in this ship until I have Amarr Cruiser V, Propulsion Jamming V, and Fuel Conservation / Afterburner V if I go with an AB fit. Almost 13 mil SP and still in a frigate :(

i have 37 and still in a frig :)

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Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#15 - 2012-10-06 18:58:27 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:

So instead of manually piloting away and toward him I should just align to something, apply my neut and wait until his cap gives out and gives me a chance to pulse the MWD and blast him? I'm still tempted to give the AB fit a chance seeing how 99% of my fights are consensual and the omen is still slower than just about everything even with a MWD.


Yes, this is what you should do. As soon as it becomes clear that you can't hurt a ship orbiting you up close you need to immediately take steps to break away from him - worst case you'll have to wait for a lucky neut cycle and warp as soon as his point drops, but at least you won't lose the ship. No one has ever died from attempting to GTFO too soon.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-06 19:04:44 UTC
also worth a mention (tho i dont like to ecm at all)

Navy omen has 5 light ecm drones, while they can be killed fast by a frig, one jam and you are able to get some range. Now depending on what the frig is thats on you, dps drones might be better, but at the very least its gunna by time and divert attention.

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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-10-06 20:36:01 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
also worth a mention (tho i dont like to ecm at all)

Navy omen has 5 light ecm drones, while they can be killed fast by a frig, one jam and you are able to get some range. Now depending on what the frig is thats on you, dps drones might be better, but at the very least its gunna by time and divert attention.


Yes, I was already considering ECM drones. Thanks for all the advice.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#18 - 2012-10-07 08:37:52 UTC
Shocked you can fit medium II's on a navy slicer???? wow the next time im not pvpeeing I must note that.P
Cyrek Ohaya
Blazing Sun Group
#19 - 2012-10-07 20:19:20 UTC
Tracking issues vs. frigates thats a deep weakness, you could have that covered with a prop jamming fleetmate. Not saying the omen is a terrible ship, its a nice fitted omen, get someone to cover up that niche weak spot.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#20 - 2012-10-08 12:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
Medium neutralizer has the problem that it is neutralizing only every 12 seconds. If he has a small nos installed then he gains cap every 3 seconds from you. This is usually enough to run AB + Scram. So a small neutralizer would have helped you probably, since is neutralizes every 6 seconds. You just need to align at something and wait until he caps out and drops one or two AB cycles. Then you will gain some range which then would allow your guns to hit him a few times... but there is a lot of dicing in this.

However, for most crusiers it will get very hard if a ship comes that close. Even a Stabber Fleet Issue (which has a great tracking with medium AC) has problems killing a frigate in very close orbit. You should not let frigates that close to you.
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