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Can Anyone Help Mining with a friend
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Artos Flynn
Space Dudes Corp
#1 - 2012-10-05 17:25:01 UTC
Can anyone tell me how you can make it so you can mine with a friend and are able to acces their cargohold to place your minerlas in ?
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-10-05 17:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Idris Helion
Artos Flynn wrote:
Can anyone tell me how you can make it so you can mine with a friend and are able to acces their cargohold to place your minerlas in ?


Fleet them ("Invite to fleet"). This will allow both miners to add and take from the same can.

Beware, though -- if you fleet the wrong person, you might lose it all, along with your ship. If you fleet a stranger, they can "warp to fleet member" and kill your barge.

EDIT: You can't access your friend's cargohold, nor he yours, even in a fleet. (Unless you're in an Orca, but that's a different scenario.) But you can share a jettison cannister ("jetcan"). Just mine a little bit of ore, jettison it, and then both you and your friend can placed mined ore in the same jetcan as long as you're fleeted..
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#3 - 2012-10-05 17:30:35 UTC
Artos Flynn wrote:
Can anyone tell me how you can make it so you can mine with a friend and are able to access their cargohold to place your minerals in ?

Have one person fly an Orca. Other than that you got to use a can. Jet can or giant secure container.

But with the huge cargohold of the Retriever and Mackinaw, just mine and haul.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#4 - 2012-10-05 17:35:28 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:


Beware, though -- if you fleet the wrong person, you might lose it all, along with your ship. If you fleet a stranger, they can "warp to fleet member" and kill your barge.


No. This used to be the case years ago. they changed it though so you can only shoot eahcother legally when in the same corp. Fleet does nothing. They also changed the warning message when fleeting, but you must not have read it.
Artos Flynn
Space Dudes Corp
#5 - 2012-10-05 17:35:57 UTC
We are in a fleet i am in a cormorant and my friend in a Badger but dont have the option for some reason
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-10-05 17:36:27 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Artos Flynn wrote:
Can anyone tell me how you can make it so you can mine with a friend and are able to access their cargohold to place your minerals in ?

Have one person fly an Orca. Other than that you got to use a can. Jet can or giant secure container.

But with the huge cargohold of the Retriever and Mackinaw, just mine and haul.


Someone skilled enough to fly an Orca and a barge would know how to fleet people by now, I think.

I'm guessing the poster is a noob, which means he's probably still in a frigate or at best a cruiser, with a friend or alt in an industrial. Fleeting and jetcan mining is the answer to the issue if this is indeed the case.
Artos Flynn
Space Dudes Corp
#7 - 2012-10-05 17:37:19 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Artos Flynn wrote:
Can anyone tell me how you can make it so you can mine with a friend and are able to access their cargohold to place your minerals in ?

Have one person fly an Orca. Other than that you got to use a can. Jet can or giant secure container.

But with the huge cargohold of the Retriever and Mackinaw, just mine and haul.


Someone skilled enough to fly an Orca and a barge would know how to fleet people by now, I think.

I'm guessing the poster is a noob, which means he's probably still in a frigate or at best a cruiser, with a friend or alt in an industrial. Fleeting and jetcan mining is the answer to the issue if this is indeed the case.


Yes i am a noob only been on this 2 days .....
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-10-05 17:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Idris Helion
Artos Flynn wrote:
We are in a fleet i am in a cormorant and my friend in a Badger but dont have the option for some reason


I don't mean the same corp; I mean in the same *fleet*. Are you sure you've invited your hauler to a fleet? Your friend will get a dialog popping up when you do, and you'll get a special fleet window in your UI.

And jettisoning ore is easy. Just right click your ore, choose "Jettison", and then open the can you just jettisoned to transfer ore. (Do this *after* you fleet your indy, though.)

EDIT: Here's a how-to on fleeting. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fleet_options
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-10-05 17:39:40 UTC
Matarella wrote:
Idris Helion wrote:


Beware, though -- if you fleet the wrong person, you might lose it all, along with your ship. If you fleet a stranger, they can "warp to fleet member" and kill your barge.


No. This used to be the case years ago. they changed it though so you can only shoot eahcother legally when in the same corp. Fleet does nothing. They also changed the warning message when fleeting, but you must not have read it.


I just saw someone lose a barge to a bad fleet choice a week ago, so yes, it still happens, "legally" or not.
Artos Flynn
Space Dudes Corp
#10 - 2012-10-05 17:41:53 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
Artos Flynn wrote:
We are in a fleet i am in a cormorant and my friend in a Badger but dont have the option for some reason


I don't mean the same corp; I mean in the same *fleet*. Are you sure you've invited your hauler to a fleet? Your friend will get a dialog popping up when you do, and you'll get a special fleet window in your UI.

And jettisoning ore is easy. Just right click your ore, choose "Jettison", and then open the can you just jettisoned to transfer ore. (Do this *after* you fleet your indy, though.)


Ohh yer im doing that now have been for the past few hours, but i fleeted a guy the other day he had an orca an i could just place things in his cargo, can you not do that with the badger ? as jettisoning cargo takes time to replenish the cannister in some cases.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#11 - 2012-10-05 17:47:41 UTC
you can not access the cargo hold or ore hold of another players ship. The only exception to this is ships with a corp hanger, such as ORCA's, Roqual's, and Carriers.

Being in the same fleet you can share jet cans, and access each others jetcans or anchored containers without issue.

Anyone outside of the fleet that accesses one of your cans will go flashy and you can attack them with out fear of CONCORD. This is generally refereed to as can baiting.

If you attack a can baiter you are giving them what they want. High sec PVP without CONCORD interference. Even though they stole from your can and you are free to attack them, If you shoot first CONCORD will not come to your aid when they shoot back.

Never ever attack a can baiter, they will kill you, even if you think you can take them they will switch out to a stronger ship once they do not have to fear losing it to CONCORD. usually a T3. If you are a high sec miner, chances are you are not a good enough PVPer to take out most can baiters. unless of course you are a PVPer setting a trap for can baiters. this can be very fun.
Artos Flynn
Space Dudes Corp
#12 - 2012-10-05 17:50:05 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
you can not access the cargo hold or ore hold of another players ship. The only exception to this is ships with a corp hanger, such as ORCA's, Roqual's, and Carriers.

Being in the same fleet you can share jet cans, and access each others jetcans or anchored containers without issue.

Anyone outside of the fleet that accesses one of your cans will go flashy and you can attack them with out fear of CONCORD. This is generally refereed to as can baiting.

If you attack a can baiter you are giving them what they want. High sec PVP without CONCORD interference. Even though they stole from your can and you are free to attack them, If you shoot first CONCORD will not come to your aid when they shoot back.

Never ever attack a can baiter, they will kill you, even if you think you can take them they will switch out to a stronger ship once they do not have to fear losing it to CONCORD. usually a T3. If you are a high sec miner, chances are you are not a good enough PVPer to take out most can baiters. unless of course you are a PVPer setting a trap for can baiters. this can be very fun.


Ahh i see, Ok then Thanks for the help all !
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-10-05 17:54:54 UTC
What Bugsy said.

Can-flipping isn't as prevalent as it used to be, though. Griefers have found other sports to keep them entertained, and CCP has implemented some improved mechanics to protect noobs in certain systems. If you're mining in Caldari space, you might run into it, though: Caldari space is the most crowded part of EVE, and unfortunately that draws out the pirates and gankers too.

Take a look at the DOTLAN maps (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/) and find a quiet 1.0 or .9 system to mine in, far from the heavily traveled Jita corridor or noob systems. You'll want to stick to 1.0 and .9 systems initially, because systems at .8 and below have NPC pirates ("rats") that will harass you while you're mining, and your mining frigate is probably not set up with offensive modules. If you're in Kisogo or Urlen, try heading over to Sakenta or Aokannitoh. Or you can go even further out to Todaki in Lonetrek.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-10-05 18:00:21 UTC
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unless of course you are a PVPer setting a trap for can baiters. this can be very fun.


Speaking of which.....

http://themittani.com/news/alod-can-flip-gone-awry

Proteus falls to a Procurer. HAW HAW HAW!

Can flipping is dead, folks. When a T1 mining barge can outlast a T3 cruiser (albeit with logi support), can flipping is as dead as the dodo. And man...getting a KM that says your spiffy T3 cruiser got pwnt by a mining barge? That's gotta burn.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#15 - 2012-10-07 11:56:03 UTC
Artos. As you don't have access to an Orca you will have to jettison ore in 'jetcans' . As you mentioned you can only jettison so many times in an hour so best to let the can fill up a bit before emptying them. It's not the ideal method but as you are just starting up in New Eden it will have to do.

Once you have some ISK a better method for you would be to use GSC's (Giant Storage Containers) which can be bought from the NPC market at stations. The pilot that will be setting them up will need to learn the 'Anchoring' skill to level one. Choose a belt and jettison,anchor, & set a password for them at 5000 km from good rocks and preferably about 5 to 7.5km apart in a line. The rocks always spawn in the same spots so no worries there. Remember to 'open' the GSC's at least once every thirty days otherwise they will be removed from space. Smile

I used to use the GSC method above and found it workable while I was in the old style Retriever vessel. With the recent ship balancing giving increased ore hold space to some mining vessels the GSC method may not be so attractive but it is an option.

As to where to mine systems that do not have stations in them are often best as there is less reason for others to hang around in them and therefore it will be safer there. Always keep a close eye on the local channel though for the bad guys.

What to mine. This changes periodically but cuurently Scordite is best with probably Veldspar as a close second. Pyroxeres for the small amount of Nocxium within it is nice too. Yum yum. Big smile

Pilots are usually very helpful in this forum so ask more questions. The 'Mining & Manufacturing' & 'Blueprints' channels are also good ingame to ask questions. But don't ask too many. Lol