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Why do EvE Players complain non stop ?

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Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#41 - 2012-10-05 14:05:37 UTC
For all I can tell eve online has an increased player base since 2003, sure there have been spikes here and there but a lot of people are playing other games like GW2 for example. I know half my ex alliance does.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#42 - 2012-10-05 14:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
The game... and the whole industry, for that matter... is changing... change is scary and can end badly.

Many of the "old shool" gamers are upset by that... and they are still the most vocal group on forums and stuff,
cause they actually care anough to make their concearns heard...

That's why it SEEMS like gamers complain more these days. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#43 - 2012-10-05 14:13:51 UTC
Hi,

In my opinion - I'm glad that the community has the ability and sentiment to be able to be vociferous about what ever irks them; it shows the best thing about this open ended game and it's open minded community.
After all, why would some people complain if they didn't care so much about it ?

Of course, it does make my life a lot easier when people do so constructively Cool

You'd be amazed how often we see these 'eve is dying' threads, and it really really isn't.

As a player, it just seems to me that this game, because of how open-ended it is, can sometimes make even the most committed people think that it's stagnated or otherwise gone off the boil; I know I've felt it at times.

The thing is though, for everyone who says 'eve is dying. eve is dead - no-one's playing anymore', there are a thousand people having a great laugh.

That's my just my experience of course Lol

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Zixie Draco
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-10-05 14:25:05 UTC
Merkal Aubauch wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Merkal Aubauch wrote:
Sad to say but f**king D3 is more enjoyable than eve these days :(

Ouch. I think that's a forum ban nowadays.


I'm going to quit anyway so CBA



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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#45 - 2012-10-05 14:29:02 UTC
It more like: blah blah... EVE ate my babies... blah

...after a while it just becomes background noise. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
KillerPriest
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-10-05 14:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Dude I can tell you exactly why the numbers aren't going up...and it really has nothing to do with CCP not "dumbing down" High Sec.

It's the playerbase. That's right. You veterans call this game a sandbox and a "player-built" environment, which means you should then be ready to take responsibility, in large part at least, for the success/failure of the game.

1) The attitude on the forums and in game towards new pilots is astounding.
2) The fun activities in this game for the most part are reserved for a few huge Alliances that have ridiculous entry requirements because they are afraid of spies".
3) The one major training corporation (E-Uni) has an unreasonable application process for people with little playing time.
4) The tutorials in this game still suck.
5) New players like myself who take the initiative and do our own research have issues sifting through the dozens of sites that claim to give info. The knowledge bases need to be streamlined. Pick one or two sites and refer THOSE to new players.

As a newbie I can tell you that dumbing down the game is NOT the answer CCP. Making the knowledge more accessible is. Plus, if veterans would stop looking down their noses at new players and reach out to us, everyone would benefit. I guess that could be helped by CCP giving more safeguards against spies. This "VIP, Exclusivity" crap needs to stop. Alliances should be chasing down new players. Offering to teach them the game and take them along on ops to show them what they can look forward to if they stick with the game.

As usual, it's not the game that pushes new players away. It's Elitism, but of course I fully expect E-Snobs to flood this thread and insult me. 'Sall good. Just continue the status quo and let the game die. At this point I'm pretty much just holding out for Planetside 2 anyway.

Edit: If you want to discuss moderation please use the report button or raise a petition via the Other -> Community category. However, don't call ISD names because you didn't follow the rules - ISD Suvetar.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#47 - 2012-10-05 14:41:25 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
It's a fairly simple question...


And since you already provided you own answer, it's not even a question, just a chance for you to advocate further safety and ease and harmonisation with "normal" MMOs, several years of which have conspicuously failed to produce the surge of new players that we're constantly told awaits around the corner of "just one more" PvP nerf..

Nevertheless, I'll provide one of my own, if that's OK with you.

People complain because they don't want things to really change. If they actually wanted change, they'd do something constructive and engage. Since I came to this realisation, some years ago, I have actually been pretty happy with changes I've wanted and that CCP have implemented, and every single time it has occurred after I and others like me have stopped complaining and started putting forwards constructive suggestions and engaging in real discussions.

Examples for me include (and don't get the idea that I am in any way trying to claim credit for these, only that I participated in the constructive effort to advocate them)

- The Insurance Nerf
- Bounty Hunting
- Wormhole-space (this wasn't exactly what I was advocating, but it fulfilled the conditions I wanted met better than my idea did)


Insults, badly typed posts, arguments based on "everybody knows" unsupported by hard facts, proposals based on narrow self-interest with no appreciation or interest in how the proposal will affect other aspects of the game, rampant tin-foil hattery... all these are the marks of the poster who wants to complain much more than he wants to be responsible for seeing anything actually change.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-10-05 14:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
KillerPriest wrote:
Dude I can tell you exactly why the numbers aren't going up...and it really has nothing to do with CCP not "dumbing down" High Sec.

It's the playerbase. That's right. You veterans call this game a sandbox and a "player-built" environment, which means you should then be ready to take responsibility, in large part at least, for the success/failure of the game.

1) The attitude on the forums and in game towards new pilots is astounding.
2) The fun activities in this game for the most part are reserved for a few huge Alliances that have ridiculous entry requirements because they are afraid of spies".
3) The one major training corporation (E-Uni) has an unreasonable application process for people with little playing time.
4) The tutorials in this game still suck.
5) New players like myself who take the initiative and do our own research have issues sifting through the dozens of sites that claim to give info. The knowledge bases need to be streamlined. Pick one or two sites and refer THOSE to new players.

As a newbie I can tell you that dumbing down the game is NOT the answer CCP. Making the knowledge more accessible is. Plus, if veterans would stop looking down their noses at new players and reach out to us, everyone would benefit. I guess that could be helped by CCP giving more safeguards against spies. This "VIP, Exclusivity" crap needs to stop. Alliances should be chasing down new players. Offering to teach them the game and take them along on ops to show them what they can look forward to if they stick with the game.

As usual, it's not the game that pushes new players away. It's Elitism, but of course I fully expect E-Snobs to flood this thread and insult me. 'Sall good. Just continue the status quo and let the game die. At this point I'm pretty much just holding out for Planetside 2 anyway.

Edit: If you want to discuss moderation please use the report button or raise a petition via the Other -> Community category. However, don't call ISD names because you didn't follow the rules - ISD Suvetar.



Just FYI: Spying is a major component of 0.0 gameplay. Those alliances aren't just being paranoid.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#49 - 2012-10-05 14:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
KillerPriest wrote:
Edit: If you want to discuss moderation please use the report button or raise a petition via the Other -> Community category. However, don't call ISD names because you didn't follow the rules - ISD Suvetar.


...not wise... especially when complaining about the forum attitude in the same post.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-10-05 14:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
KillerPriest wrote:
Edit: If you want to discuss moderation please use the report button or raise a petition via the Other -> Community category. However, don't call ISD names because you didn't follow the rules - ISD Suvetar.

Maybe he was shutting down your inflated sense of self importance that led you to create a separate thread in the first place.

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Reticle
Sight Picture
#51 - 2012-10-05 15:01:12 UTC
complaining about complaining. how meta.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#52 - 2012-10-05 15:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Well first off name one MMO where the forums are not full of compliants??

I have played just about every MMO on the market and have yet to see one.

Secondly EVE is not dieing. If you actually pay attention, all MMO's drop in activity in the summer. EVE is no different. Prime time in the summer EVE usually sees around 20-30k players online. Prime time in the winter is usually around 35-40k.

I have recently seen times when there were over 50k online. That is a number a have not seen in over 3 years since I returned to EVE. I would say the game is very stable if not still growing. It is certainly not dieing.

I hate to be the bearer of bad new, but based on this post you are among the complainers.

EVE is an MMO, and no matter what the DEV's do, they will not make everyone happy. There will always be those who dislike the chosen changes. And those ones generally come to the forums to complain. This is the nature of MMO's. It always has been and always will be.
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-10-05 15:04:55 UTC
Players do complain because they can.

As a side note I have never had the feeling the game needed more players. Not when there was 15k online and especially not nowadays.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#54 - 2012-10-05 15:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
KillerPriest wrote:
Edit: If you want to discuss moderation please use the report button or raise a petition via the Other -> Community category. However, don't call ISD names because you didn't follow the rules - ISD Suvetar.

+1

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Brego Tralowski
Tralowski Independent Traders.
#55 - 2012-10-05 15:53:29 UTC
I've been playing for nearly 5yrs now, and I still love it :)

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#56 - 2012-10-05 15:53:51 UTC
because they care

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-10-05 15:57:35 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
You'd be amazed how often we see these 'eve is dying' threads, and it really really isn't.

It's also pretty amazing how many times eve is cutting things up with a die.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

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Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#58 - 2012-10-05 16:03:16 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
You'd be amazed how often we see these 'eve is dying' threads, and it really really isn't.

It's also pretty amazing how many times eve is cutting things up with a die.



Well, at least EVE isn't dyeing.

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Zeran Kariashi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-10-05 16:03:47 UTC
Yeah I don't really see it. School and work eat up a lot of the day, so the actual number of players on tends to be pretty consistent across the time zones, 28k-32k except for a few deadzones of 14k for an hour or so....I saw it creep up almost 50k 2 week ago, on the week end, so...no...not dying per say, just depends on how much of a life outside of Eve the players have and where in the world they are.
Signal11th
#60 - 2012-10-05 16:04:29 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
You'd be amazed how often we see these 'eve is dying' threads, and it really really isn't.

It's also pretty amazing how many times eve is cutting things up with a die.


very witty Zim.

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