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What does winter changes mean for Missioning?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#21 - 2012-10-05 18:29:00 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Sentries can tank surprisingly well.


Not only that, but if I'm reading FoxFour's posts even vaguely correctly you'll actually have more control over agro than now. I wouldn't be surprised at all that putting a single RR on your drones guarantees rats will only shoot the ship. Which, of course, is perfect for sentries.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-10-05 18:36:51 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Sentries can tank surprisingly well.


Not only that, but if I'm reading FoxFour's posts even vaguely correctly you'll actually have more control over agro than now. I wouldn't be surprised at all that putting a single RR on your drones guarantees rats will only shoot the ship. Which, of course, is perfect for sentries.



Yea after my initial OH SH!T reaction, I am looking forward to testing with a more open mind.

The only ship I'm still skeptical will be my ishtar. The ability to drop sentries and then run away a bit to speed tank will likely end up with more dead sentries.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#23 - 2012-10-06 13:31:06 UTC
On the "Bring your low SP buddy into your L4" aren't they changing it so rats will primary their ship class?

Stick the guy in a frigate and let him dogfight the NPC tackle/web frigs, he'll have a blast doing it while you gunsling with the BC/BS spawns.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#24 - 2012-10-07 11:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i'm curious about the aggro mechanic changes more than anything. if you have ever flown a drake in C1-C3, you know what a pain it is to keep your drones alive. if mission rat AI adapts this behavior, gallente gonna have a bad time.
frankly, i am already considering buying 10000 T1 drones and just abandoning them in each mission room like kittens on the freeway.


They have already said it will not be sleeper AI and will not have near the same hate of drones.


Ah, I see your problem...you actually believe what a CCP dev says when it comes to something that wipes out high sec income.
Unfortunately, the only one who can test how truly devastating this new AI is for drone boat operators is the dev who created it.

The new AI is not on Buckingham, and Duality is not accessible for Eve players until Oct 19th, at the earliest, and we have no idea how long it will be available.

Bottom line, we are supposed to trust CCP that is is a good change.
Just like the Nex store stuff 2 summers ago, the UI change this summer, the FW LP farming mechanics, the obliteration of Incursions, etc, etc, etc.....
Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
#25 - 2012-10-07 18:17:38 UTC
Zaq Phelps wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Am a bit concerned over the 15 minute NPC flag. Eve likes its random server drops and losing a 2 billion isk ship over it would not be fun at all. At least now if dropped we know are ships are going to go to warp.



Your ship will attempt to warp. The blog says nothing about your ship not attempting to warp away. It's the same log off mechanic that exists for pvp now. However, once warped away it will take 15 minutes for it to disappear. This means that someone who is trying to gank you has ample time to probe you down and destroy your ship. It also means that your ship will stay put in the mission if it's warp scrambled or caught on a large collidable object where it can't get aligned.

Realistically, all it means is:

You need to kill scrambling frigates first (when respawn mechanics allow)
You need to stay aligned to a safe warpout point (safespot, station) if you need to bail out of the mission when practical
Use less expensive ships if you're truly uncomfortable




For who plexes and rats in low secs and null sec this change is very very bad: if you lose connection or reds jumps in you cannot leave the game for any reason for 15 mins or they scan you down and you r dead.
No more: a few more npcs then dinner!

Really Don't understad why to implement a so bad change, why CCP hates PVE so much?
Why they don't concentrate on more content and fun (such as drone plexes or other bugged ones) instead of "fixing" what i not broken?

My 2 cents, LM very worried
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#26 - 2012-10-07 23:24:28 UTC
I don't see why people are so concerned about this affecting PvE.

Unless you fly an AFK Rattlesnake/Domi this is going to be a patch that makes things more fun. Yes your drones will get targeted, but they're not going to get loloneshot. If you see your Drones taking aggro you can pull them in.

Ok that sucks if you're using heavies, but really guys, that's what Sentries are for.

If anything this makes it slightly easier, you can have your drones occasionally take the strain. Infact I'm toying with the idea of small ECM drones used to take aggression (Sleeper AI in Wormholes goes nuts against any ship that suddenly starts jamming) and can give your ship tank a breather.


God forbid you're going to have to pay attention to something while undocked and making isk. Jeesh..

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Litla Sundlaugin
#27 - 2012-10-08 14:27:38 UTC
Oh...you hear that, its the sound of my heavy drones getting reprocessed Big smileinto light drones. As it is now I don't deploy my drones often because of disconnect issues.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#28 - 2012-10-08 15:15:51 UTC
Update: According to http://www.evenews24.com/2012/10/08/eve-vegas-ccp-soundwave-discusses-winter/ the timer for NPC aggression is 60 second not 15 min. Kinda makes you wonder why it is there at all...

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-10-08 19:45:46 UTC
Why not just put a shield RR on your ships and rep the sentry that is being shot? i do that now anyway if i am using a drone boat..
The only people who will be affected by the changes is going to be the AFK type players, which imo is not the way to play eve.. cause EVE IS REAL Twisted, or I have a problem.. hehehe
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-10-09 12:40:12 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
God forbid you're going to have to pay attention to something while undocked and making isk. Jeesh..

when i'm undocked and making ISK, my attention is usually divided between league of legends and ray william johnson.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Doddy
Excidium.
#31 - 2012-10-09 14:19:46 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Am a bit concerned over the 15 minute NPC flag. Eve likes its random server drops and losing a 2 billion isk ship over it would not be fun at all. At least now if dropped we know are ships are going to go to warp.


Your ship will still warp (if not scrambled) to a 1 mil k safe like it does now, the only difference is it will now take 15 mins to disappear rather than 1 min. If scrambled it wouldn't warp away now either, its just it will vannish after 15 min instead of 1 so you will be a bit more likley to die. Just always make sure you kill scramming rats first, which everyone should do anyway.
Doddy
Excidium.
#32 - 2012-10-09 14:21:31 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Sentries can tank surprisingly well.


Not only that, but if I'm reading FoxFour's posts even vaguely correctly you'll actually have more control over agro than now. I wouldn't be surprised at all that putting a single RR on your drones guarantees rats will only shoot the ship. Which, of course, is perfect for sentries.



Yea after my initial OH SH!T reaction, I am looking forward to testing with a more open mind.

The only ship I'm still skeptical will be my ishtar. The ability to drop sentries and then run away a bit to speed tank will likely end up with more dead sentries.


Which is how it should be
Doddy
Excidium.
#33 - 2012-10-09 14:23:40 UTC
Also the sleeper target choosing is being brought in, so if you had a low sp friend helping would likely only be cruisers and frigs that would attack him over a bs. Thieves in frigs on the other hand will attract the attention of all those scrambling/webbing frigs.
Signal11th
#34 - 2012-10-09 14:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Doddy wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Am a bit concerned over the 15 minute NPC flag. Eve likes its random server drops and losing a 2 billion isk ship over it would not be fun at all. At least now if dropped we know are ships are going to go to warp.


Your ship will still warp (if not scrambled) to a 1 mil k safe like it does now, the only difference is it will now take 15 mins to disappear rather than 1 min. If scrambled it wouldn't warp away now either, its just it will vannish after 15 min instead of 1 so you will be a bit more likley to die. Just always make sure you kill scramming rats first, which everyone should do anyway.



lol, so there I am whoring away to my hearts content and I lose connection..lets say a power cut or a telecomms issue, something I have no control over, so according to you my carrier/sc is now scannable for 15mins and there's nothing I can do about it.

First time that happens to me I'll be bye bye EVE, sounds like a really stupid idea. In fact, that stupid I must have got it wrong.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#35 - 2012-10-09 16:12:30 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Why not just put a shield RR on your ships and rep the sentry that is being shot?


Because shield regens itself. Armor doesn't.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-10-09 18:26:47 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Am a bit concerned over the 15 minute NPC flag. Eve likes its random server drops and losing a 2 billion isk ship over it would not be fun at all. At least now if dropped we know are ships are going to go to warp.


Your ship will still warp (if not scrambled) to a 1 mil k safe like it does now, the only difference is it will now take 15 mins to disappear rather than 1 min. If scrambled it wouldn't warp away now either, its just it will vannish after 15 min instead of 1 so you will be a bit more likley to die. Just always make sure you kill scramming rats first, which everyone should do anyway.



lol, so there I am whoring away to my hearts content and I lose connection..lets say a power cut or a telecomms issue, something I have no control over, so according to you my carrier/sc is now scannable for 15mins and there's nothing I can do about it.

First time that happens to me I'll be bye bye EVE, sounds like a really stupid idea. In fact, that stupid I must have got it wrong.


Ok before everyone else gets in a tizzy, it was said by soundwave at last weekend's vegas event that the 15min NPC timer was a typo and it will be remaining at 60sec.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#37 - 2012-10-09 18:29:20 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ok before everyone else gets in a tizzy, it was said by soundwave at last weekend's vegas event that the 15min NPC timer was a typo and it will be remaining at 60sec.


Woot. I'd heard that but didn't know the source. I'm simply no longer concerned about this expansion even though it is going to force me to change playstyle a bit.
Doddy
Excidium.
#38 - 2012-10-11 15:47:28 UTC
Lady Manus wrote:



For who plexes and rats in low secs and null sec this change is very very bad: if you lose connection or reds jumps in you cannot leave the game for any reason for 15 mins or they scan you down and you r dead.
No more: a few more npcs then dinner!


This is how it should be. In any case most people will just dock or warp to pos
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#39 - 2012-10-12 06:38:46 UTC
They really need to put people that ninja salvage in Suspect mode as well (allows aggression from the victim).

Other than that, I see most of the changes as good things so far, at least on paper.

I think it should drop the timers down to 10 or 5 min though myself. /shrug.

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Sturmwolke
#40 - 2012-10-12 07:08:09 UTC
Missile changes buffs T2 Fury cruise missiles.
Now all those with players CNRs that trained them to L5 won't be so bitter. Smile
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