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The Silk Road (Revised)

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Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
Silvana Innovations
Fraternity.
#1 - 2012-10-04 18:44:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
TLDR version:

  • I'm forming a channel ("The Silk Road") for merchants and industrialists to come from all over the universe (0.0, high sec, low sec, w-space) to come work together regardless of their political loyalties. The goal is to network and have a more fluid exchange of both material and intellectual resources so that we may all benefit.

  • This channel will be public until we get enough members where we can justify a fee.

  • This is strictly anti-scamming/spamming. I place great emphasis on political neutrality and the desire to work together for profits. The rules will be enforced. Be respectful and mature.

  • Detailed version:

    Hello,

    I wanted to create something for us merchants, industrialists and miners, us CREATORS, that goes beyond corp, alliance and regional boundaries, beyond Jita and Amarr, Rens and Dodixie. I think we as entrepreneurs have a special place in the universe of New Eden and there is no shame in saying that our interests go toward creating rather than destroying. (Not that there is anything wrong with those who destroy. They make work for us after all Smile )

    I understand the hardships of being the smaller guy in EvE starting a small corporation, trying to find trust worthy people and forming a community of your own where you can create. Even though you may have the skills, ships, industrial resources and the capitalist spirit, the hardest part is networking. And that goes the same for even larger industrial entities. At the end of the day, the most valuable commodity in EvE is trust.

    Networking is important because it forms bonds and opportunities you would not be able to form selling/buying on the Jita market for example.

    So what exactly is my point? What am I trying to offer here? Well I am creating an in game channel by the name "The Silk Road." As many of you may know, the historical Silk Road was a link between Europe and Asia where spices, silk, ideas, and all forms of trade exchanged. Although empires rose and fell among those lands, the Silk Road continued to be a tool used by entrepreneurs throughout the ages. This channel will work much the same way.

    Imagine a Jita local chat without spammers and scammers, policed and maintained. Now imagine that that chat wasn't just limited to one system, but something that was all encompassing across EvE. That is my dream and I want you all to become part of it.

    Now how do you become part of this? Well my plan for now is to leave the channel open to any and all until I cam popularize the channel and draw members in. Once that happens, the channel will allow only accept members who can donate 100 mil (100,000,000 ISK) every month (1st of each month) for as long as they wish to stay and follow the rules.

    The purpose of the fee is for various reasons. First off, I too am an entrepreneur and a capitalist. I an investing my own resources in making this idea work and I am seeking to profit from it myself. "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." ~ Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations. Your interest is my interest. Your level of success affects my level of success.

    Secondly, it provides a first line level of defense against would be scammers/spammers. The way scams work, one has to throw as many darts at the board as possible. 99 percent of them miss. Our advantage in this situation is even if they do pay the first fee to get in, they only get one chance until they get booted.

    Thirdly, we make sure that the people who do join, are at a level where their presence is beneficiary to our group. For most potent industrial corporations, 100 mil is a very manageable price, especially for what we would be providing: a Trans-Universal market not limited by politics who's only goal is to help the members grow and be successful.

    So for now join "The Silk Road" in game channel and join the mailing list by the same name. Introduce yourself and whatever you can do. If you are looking to buy in bulk at a lower price, or want to find a partner to build capitals, and everything else in between, do it. If anyone is spamming/scamming, mail me and I will make sure that person does not bother us. Keep in mind that during the free trial period, ANYONE can join so be careful.

    Eventually I will switch the channel to "member list" to moderate it so only people I add onto the list can join. Send 100 mil to this account with the reason being "Silk", and you will be added. Membership fee will be due on the first of each month. There is a 5 day grace period after which I will remove you. So long as you do not scam and you are respectful to the members, you are free to go and come as you please.

    Please keep politics out of this. Discussion is fine but if your corp/alliance/coalition is at war with another member, I do not want the dirty laundry to be aired in the channel. So long as the 100 mil fee is paid, you may even want to join with a simple alt and keep yourself as private as you wish.

    We'll keep it fun and beneficiary for everyone involved. We'll have lotteries, raffles, third party exchanges, auctions and whatever else we can think of. Give it a try, we could all use a few more connections, big or small.
    Grendell
    Technologies Unlimited
    #2 - 2012-10-04 18:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Grendell
    The silk road huh?Blink I'm assuming you're borrowing the name from the real silk road. Very interesting site, the real one.Lol

    Maybe my mind is in the gutter... I don't know.

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    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #3 - 2012-10-04 19:54:47 UTC
    Channels already exsist and do not charge so why pay for your service you offer no kind of benefit over one of the free channels currently.

    this looks like a i need isk so join my ultra-super secret club for a fee and do what others are doing for free Bear
    EvilweaselFinance
    GoonCorp
    Goonswarm Federation
    #4 - 2012-10-04 19:56:59 UTC
    I will be forming "The Salk Road", with a membership fee of 99m isk. As all real industrialists recognize that keeping costs low is important, you can be assured the best ones will be saving $1m and be in The Salk Road rather than The Silk Road.
    EvilweaselFinance
    GoonCorp
    Goonswarm Federation
    #5 - 2012-10-04 20:07:00 UTC
    send the isk to me with the reason [80085] by the way for the membership fee
    Llyandrian
    Livestock Science Exchange
    #6 - 2012-10-04 20:10:20 UTC

    The real elite-md channel is invitation only.
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Silvana Innovations
    Fraternity.
    #7 - 2012-10-04 20:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    Channels already exsist and do not charge so why pay for your service you offer no kind of benefit over one of the free channels currently.

    this looks like a i need isk so join my ultra-super secret club for a fee and do what others are doing for free Bear



    All i've found there is spam and low brow barking. I'm looking to build quality. And there's nothing "super elite and secret." Simply want to build something worth my time and the time of others. Too bad it bothers so many. Lol
    corestwo
    Goonfleet Investment Banking
    #8 - 2012-10-04 20:32:29 UTC
    What I see here is someone too inept to really do well on his own, hoping to charge others for the privilege of having their ideas stolen.

    Good luck with that one Cool

    This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

    fofofo

    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #9 - 2012-10-04 20:34:56 UTC
    corestwo wrote:
    What I see here is someone too inept to really do well on his own, hoping to charge others for the privilege of having their ideas stolen.

    Good luck with that one Cool


    That about summed it up^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Silvana Innovations
    Fraternity.
    #10 - 2012-10-04 20:39:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Well with the reliable accusations of the venerable goonswarm clearly proving my faults, how could I ever possibly go on. Blink

    Curious though, since our discourse is already of such a high degree, how exactly would I steal people's ideas?
    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #11 - 2012-10-04 20:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cap James Tkirk
    Goonswarm scams maybe :P

    no one with an IQ above potatoe will pay to sit in a chat channel when so many exsist

    1) if your dumb enough to click on something and read it once maybe twice and not see the scam or fail behind it your about to get what you deserve
    2) so many channels who the fak wants another one that they have to pay for to be part of the elite uber super friends club, because when you slap a price tag on something so basic that anyone can make a room and moderate out the trash, ya know at 0.00 cost your plan looks more and more like a lazy attempt to make money with no benefits to the clients or real substance to make it a valuable endeavor
    3) as for the goon post what does it matter he is a goon if he can make valid points (still waiting) they should be taken at that value

    more to come.........
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Silvana Innovations
    Fraternity.
    #12 - 2012-10-04 21:36:42 UTC
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    Goonswarm scams maybe :P

    no one with an IQ above potatoe will pay to sit in a chat channel when so many exsist


    I think there's some rather liberal over estimation going on here of someone's traits. In any case, the payment isn't "just to sit in a channel." Neither is there anything like this out there. If there is a channel of traders and industrialists that are working together across the Eve universe and is moderated, by all means let me know. And honestly if 100 mil is breaking your bank, with all do respect, the offer is not for you.

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    1) if your dumb enough to click on something and read it once maybe twice and not see the scam or fail behind it your about to get what you deserve


    It's pretty simple. You join until Nov 1st for nothing. (May extend the period if needed.) If you end up creating some apolitical networking opportunities which earn you profits, great. If that isn't happening for you, don't stay. And again if 100 mil per month is a lot, I don't think we have anything to offer each other.

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    2) so many channels who the fak wants another one that they have to pay for to be part of the elite uber super friends club, because when you slap a price tag on something so basic that anyone can make a room and moderate out the trash, ya know at 0.00 cost your plan looks more and more like a lazy attempt to make money with no benefits to the clients or real substance to make it a valuable endeavor


    Actually the benefits are there. Moderation, 3rd party services, lotteries, market manipulation and so on and so forth. Also for 100 mil you only get to join the "sorta neat, kinda cool acquaintances club." Elite uber super friends club usually cost more than pocket change. Blink

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    3) as for the goon post what does it matter he is a goon if he can make valid points (still waiting) they should be taken at that value


    Usually helps if you have some level of credibility no? You don't see any irony in a goon preaching self reliance? As far as i'm concerned there has already been a profit made in comedic value with that sort of commentary. Lol

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    more to come.........


    I sure hope. This can only help.
    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #13 - 2012-10-04 21:57:55 UTC
    1) never said 100m is going to break my bank and i would not pay to be part of your "special club"
    2) what your offering exsist if you dont look for it i am not going to point you in any directions im not here to guide you just point out that nothing special exsist about your idea its impotent and weak as you contradict yourself in the general idea of it IMO
    3) say no scams etc but then offer micro lotteries etc all of which can be a scam in some sense or another
    David Forge
    GameOn Inc.
    #14 - 2012-10-04 22:20:08 UTC
    I guess someone doesn't know about the super-exclusive secret trading Illuminati chat channel/mailing list/spreadsheet sharing forum. Silly.
    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #15 - 2012-10-04 22:27:00 UTC
    David Forge wrote:
    I guess someone doesn't know about the super-exclusive secret trading Illuminati chat channel/mailing list/spreadsheet sharing forum. Silly.


    :( and i wasnt invited ahhhh dayum
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Silvana Innovations
    Fraternity.
    #16 - 2012-10-04 22:36:58 UTC
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    1) never said 100m is going to break my bank and i would not pay to be part of your "special club"
    2) what your offering exsist if you dont look for it i am not going to point you in any directions im not here to guide you just point out that nothing special exsist about your idea its impotent and weak as you contradict yourself in the general idea of it IMO
    3) say no scams etc but then offer micro lotteries etc all of which can be a scam in some sense or another



    1) Good to know, I was wondering all week. Cool

    2) "I know something secret you don't know and if you don't know I won't tell you." Awesome logic. But please tell me how I contradicted myself.

    3) So offering possibilities of lotteries is a scam because someone could use it as a scam. Brilliant.
    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #17 - 2012-10-04 22:43:25 UTC
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus wrote:
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    1) never said 100m is going to break my bank and i would not pay to be part of your "special club"
    2) what your offering exsist if you dont look for it i am not going to point you in any directions im not here to guide you just point out that nothing special exsist about your idea its impotent and weak as you contradict yourself in the general idea of it IMO
    3) say no scams etc but then offer micro lotteries etc all of which can be a scam in some sense or another



    1) Good to know, I was wondering all week. Cool

    A) like your pyramid scheme you assualt fails

    2) "I know something secret you don't know and if you don't know I won't tell you." Awesome logic. But please tell me how I contradicted myself.

    B) not a secret get off your lazy arse and look

    3) So offering possibilities of lotteries is a scam because someone could use it as a scam. Brilliant.

    C) saying you do not want scamming in your secret squirrel channel then offering tools to be avaliable to ya know scam ppl kinda of contridictionary no?

    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Silvana Innovations
    Fraternity.
    #18 - 2012-10-04 22:51:05 UTC
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    A) like your pyramid scheme you assualt fails


    Petty slander with zero backing.

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    B) not a secret get off your lazy arse and look


    Oh so there's nothing. "I can stand on my hands but I don't wanna show you!"

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    [C) saying you do not want scamming in your secret squirrel channel then offering tools to be avaliable to ya know scam ppl kinda of contridictionary no?


    How is it a tool? That's idiotic. That's like saying to a car salesman "You don't want car crashes yet you sell cars!" This sort of logic is laughable.
    Cap James Tkirk
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #19 - 2012-10-04 22:56:32 UTC
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus wrote:
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    A) like your pyramid scheme you assualt fails


    Petty slander with zero backing.


    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    B) not a secret get off your lazy arse and look


    Oh so there's nothing. "I can stand on my hands but I don't wanna show you!"

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    [C) saying you do not want scamming in your secret squirrel channel then offering tools to be avaliable to ya know scam ppl kinda of contridictionary no?


    How is it a tool? That's idiotic. That's like saying to a car salesman "You don't want car crashes yet you sell cars!" This sort of logic is laughable.


    im sure most pyramid schemes have good front men that make thier shiney Shite product look good and i see you doing the same just pointing out your not offering anything worth 1 isk a month

    im not here to feed you info pull ur hands out your arse and look if you cant do ground work yourself your pretty useless

    apparently we play two different versions of eve yours must have flower rainbows and unicorns where ppl hug and skip and please feel free to explain you "illogical" comments as thats all you seem to be able to spew out , and simply cannot grasp that on one hand your saying heres my chat channel scammer free but heres some tools ppl use to scam let me mix them together and call it a safe haven free from the usual drudgery of scams Roll
    Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Silvana Innovations
    Fraternity.
    #20 - 2012-10-04 23:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Ulpius Trajanus
    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    im sure most pyramid schemes have good front men that make thier shiney Shite product look good and i see you doing the same just pointing out your not offering anything worth 1 isk a month


    Let me explain to you how a pyramid scheme works because it seems to me like you just learned the term today without looking up the definition. You ask for investments with a set amount of payout over a set time period. So "give me 100 mil and you will get 5 mil isk every week. I can sustain these through investing" etc etc. This builds up reputation, you get more "clients" and you get to the point where you have so many people that have "invested" that you can just pull the rug out and walk away with everything.

    Asking 100 mil per month (something you can do in a day afk mining in high sec) as a defensive fee in order to have access and build networking does not fit that definition. I can't spell it out for you any better.

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    im not here to feed you info pull ur hands out your arse and look if you cant do ground work yourself your pretty useless


    Right, more sh*t talking with nothing backing it up. You have nothing, because if you did you'd prove me wrong. Moving on.

    Cap James Tkirk wrote:
    apparently we play two different versions of eve yours must have flower rainbows and unicorns where ppl hug and skip and please feel free to explain you "illogical" comments as thats all you seem to be able to spew out , and simply cannot grasp that on one hand your saying heres my chat channel scammer free but heres some tools ppl use to scam let me mix them together and call it a safe haven free from the usual drudgery of scams


    You have to be brilliantly incompetent to think this sort of scheme would even work. Ok so I get a bunch of people in my chatroom, and then make them all join my lottery, and then run away with the money? First off you're assuming I can make anyone do anything. Secondly, you're assuming I can make anyone do anything twice. Thirdly, you're short shortsightedness is impeding you from seeing the larger profit being made from networking rather than just getting a couple billions (best scenario) out of some overly complicated, daft concept of a scam you have formulated.

    My intention was to have competent people working together for a business model where they could punch above their weight class. Not to accidently open a space soup kitchen for conspiracy hobos to spout psuedo intellectual dribble. I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. Ugh
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