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High sec CSM members, how about some kind of public statement

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-10-05 06:31:38 UTC
adapt or cry
Prince Kobol
#22 - 2012-10-05 07:25:48 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
So it definitely means high sec PvEers will have to evolve. The biggest reason for the change is more about finally getting the better AI engine in place to make refinements going forward more practical. I've no doubt like every change we see in Eve getting it all working as intended will take some fiddling. So I 'm not surprised to see that we've seen the first attempt to get it all "right". I'd expect more noodling as well.

Eve is very very complicated and it isn't until you get something "live" that the full effect is evident.

Hope that clarifies my thoughts,

Issler


It does not clarify it for me.
Are you saying regarding this first iteration of the AI overhaul, which means death to all high sec drone boats, that because Eve is complicated, you are OK with said death to all high sec drone boats, while the null sec plexers get a pass?

Is that a fair paraphrase of what you posted?


How does the change mean death to all HS Drone Boats?

Do you mean its the death running missions afk in drones boats?

After all this is what the minority are complaining about.

They will lose the ability of afk running missions.. boo hoo
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-10-05 08:03:15 UTC
That is seriously what he's hurttebutte about isn't it. AFK Drone boat missioning in hi-sec.

I mean god what an irreplaceable loss that will be to the list of EVE professions. CCP will have to go to youtube and delete all those adverts based on this playstyle.


Just a headsup, Mr Pirhana: CCP have an "AFK ISK making mechanism" already in place for you. Sell your NavDomi and buy a couple of Mackinaws. Now you can pay even less attention than ever before!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#24 - 2012-10-05 17:30:08 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
RazielZian wrote:
As a toon who has used drone boats for high sec PvE for the last 6 years, I frankly do not see what the problem is.

Sure your drones are at more risk than before, you can no longer deploy your drones, switch on your tank and go read a book.
But surely thats a good thing? Right?

The game has evolved, and will continue to evolve, not every change will be perfect right out of the gate, that sort of thing simply doesn't happen in a system as vast and complex as Eve.

The drone changes only mean that players who use drone boats, or drones as a method of counter-frig warfare will need to pay more attention to what is going on.

Times change, learn to evolve or die quietly.


What he said.

Issler


Wow, just wow.....I understand now some of the comments I have read about you.


All I'm hearing from you here now is "waaaah, the supposed representative for highsec doesn't see things exactly my way, what a horrible person!"

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fofofo
Rengerel en Distel
#25 - 2012-10-05 20:45:15 UTC
I really wish the OP would stop all the histrionics. It takes attention away from what could actually be a problem, and make people just work against you. Actual drone boats may have a problem with the changes, but we can't know for sure until we can actually test the changes in 2 or 3 weeks.

As for those stating the changes nerf afk drone boats, it actually does the opposite, because repping your drones gives you aggro. Launch sentries, rep drones, go away doesn't get nerfed. A boat that relies on heavy drones though has a much higher chance to get boned.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#26 - 2012-10-05 21:05:50 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I really wish the OP would stop all the histrionics. It takes attention away from what could actually be a problem, and make people just work against you. Actual drone boats may have a problem with the changes, but we can't know for sure until we can actually test the changes in 2 or 3 weeks.

As for those stating the changes nerf afk drone boats, it actually does the opposite, because repping your drones gives you aggro. Launch sentries, rep drones, go away doesn't get nerfed. A boat that relies on heavy drones though has a much higher chance to get boned.


Am I making a fool of myself with all the screaming on the forums?
In most people's eyes, absolutely.
I have no illusions that all my histrionics (good word) doom me to never getting into a decent corp/ alliance again, if I ever choose to go back to the wh or nullsec life that I have both lived.

Certainly all the null sec zealots and some elements of CCP would like me just skulk away and shut up.
I remember people going ballistic about the UI, and that did have some impact, though not as much as all hoped.
I remember the Jita riots over "greed is good". These people did not sit there quietly.
They screamed loud, they screamed long, they screamed everywhere.

Do you think I LIKE constantly creating over-the-top posts? In a perfect Eve world, I would be grinding ISK for my soon-to-be 600M plex.

But every revolution is started with a single dissenting voice.
SOMEONE has to keep this disaster front and centre, so more people will indeed test this starting Oct 19th.

BTW, check the timelines on when I created the thread on GD asking about when Duality would be back up.
Then check when the dev's decided to tell us when Duality would be up.
The null sec zealots and the CCP dev's will do everything to ridicule the idea, but the only reason we have a date at all is because I screamed about it, making myself look like a fool.

Bottom line, I hate unfairness and I hate bullying, but the null sec zealots in game and a specific element within CCP thrive on those things.
Someone has to take a stand against them, no matter how lost a cause it is.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-10-05 22:01:04 UTC
my shrill, disingenuous and insulting concern trolls are the same as the grassroots mass jita protests because both are loud
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-10-06 18:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Bottom line, I hate unfairness and I hate bullying, but the null sec zealots in game and a specific element within CCP thrive on those things.
Someone has to take a stand against them, no matter how lost a cause it is.


let's see what nerfs nullsec has had to contend with:

greyscale's anomaly nerf, the jump bridge nerf, the upcoming crimewatch changes that will give you PvP aggression for shooting rats, the tech nerf

meanwhile, hisec got the incursion nerf which ensured that they were no longer literally the lowest risk, highest reward PvE in the game and the same nerf killed lowsec/nullsec incursions because CCP apparently thinks that people run them with 1500 DPS shiny faction battleships everywhere and that they should be balanced around the risk-averse hisec min/maxers, and the NPC AI changes which mean that you can't AFK a dominix in a static (pro-tip: you can no longer do that in nullsec anomalies anymore either!)

yet, in spite of all of this, you continue to believe that CCP answers to the ~nullsec zealot~ illuminati and hasn't nerfed the living hell out of nullsec while doing everything in their power to ensure that hisec has the easiest and highest income potential and the lowest risk

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Rengerel en Distel
#29 - 2012-10-06 19:41:59 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I really wish the OP would stop all the histrionics. It takes attention away from what could actually be a problem, and make people just work against you. Actual drone boats may have a problem with the changes, but we can't know for sure until we can actually test the changes in 2 or 3 weeks.

As for those stating the changes nerf afk drone boats, it actually does the opposite, because repping your drones gives you aggro. Launch sentries, rep drones, go away doesn't get nerfed. A boat that relies on heavy drones though has a much higher chance to get boned.


Am I making a fool of myself with all the screaming on the forums?
In most people's eyes, absolutely.
I have no illusions that all my histrionics (good word) doom me to never getting into a decent corp/ alliance again, if I ever choose to go back to the wh or nullsec life that I have both lived.

Certainly all the null sec zealots and some elements of CCP would like me just skulk away and shut up.
I remember people going ballistic about the UI, and that did have some impact, though not as much as all hoped.
I remember the Jita riots over "greed is good". These people did not sit there quietly.
They screamed loud, they screamed long, they screamed everywhere.

Do you think I LIKE constantly creating over-the-top posts? In a perfect Eve world, I would be grinding ISK for my soon-to-be 600M plex.

But every revolution is started with a single dissenting voice.
SOMEONE has to keep this disaster front and centre, so more people will indeed test this starting Oct 19th.

BTW, check the timelines on when I created the thread on GD asking about when Duality would be back up.
Then check when the dev's decided to tell us when Duality would be up.
The null sec zealots and the CCP dev's will do everything to ridicule the idea, but the only reason we have a date at all is because I screamed about it, making myself look like a fool.

Bottom line, I hate unfairness and I hate bullying, but the null sec zealots in game and a specific element within CCP thrive on those things.
Someone has to take a stand against them, no matter how lost a cause it is.



CCP Goliath said on the 29th of Sept that Duality wouldn't be up until the 19th of November. I guess if you want to take credit a week later for making him make a more official response, go ahead.

Until there is more testing done, you're not making a stand, you're making an ass of yourself.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-10-06 23:17:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

SOMEONE has to keep this disaster front and centre, so more people will indeed test this starting Oct 19th.


Just so I'm clear on this - the "disaster" you're referring to is that the NPCs will be very slightly more reactive to player reactions, and won't just ignore everything except the initial aggro?

You're flat out, unironically calling this a disaster? Is that correct?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2012-10-06 23:22:13 UTC
I mean let's be clear here - when we're talking about this "AI" upgrade, the "upgrade" is pretty much from "Sea Squirt" level to something around "Nematode" or "Oyster".

If you can out-think a bivalve, then I really think you're going to be OK.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-10-06 23:22:41 UTC
Wait I see the problem now

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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